Re: [GTh] Coptic martyr traditions and Coptic Thomas
Yes, Thomas would likely have seen martrydom as missing the point.
Martyrdom came to be understood by the traditional Christians as an
instant ticket to heaven in the afterlife. Whereas the Thomasine
teaching professes that "heaven" or the "Kingdom" is here in the present
(L3, L91)though it is hidden from those who do not seek it (L5, L109,
However, later Gnostics might have understood martyrdom as "taking off
their clothes" (L21) and getting rid of the evil sarks.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Mike Grondin" <mwgrondin@...> wrote:
> [Tim Staker]:
> > I wonder if Coptic Thomas was to some degree in an opposing dialog
> > the early proto-orthodox Coptic churches on this issue of
> It makes sense to me that Thomasines would see no spiritual value in
> martyrdom, since they placed no spiritual value on the death of Jesus.
> Associated with that death was kingship and crown (of thorns), so
> are orthodox Christian writings speaking of martyrs gaining a crown or
> kingship, whereas GThom (and those to whom Paul writes in one letter)
> associated kingship with the gaining of spiritual knowledge.
> Mike Grondin
- [Tim Staker]:
off> ... later Gnostics might have understood martyrdom as "taking
> their clothes" (L21[.1-4]) and getting rid of the evil sarks.[flesh]
Hi Tim,I'm more inclined to interpret this passage as DeConick does, namelyas an encratic admonition to renounce the body as part of renouncingthe physical world. But there's also a connection with proto-orthodoxbaptismal ritual, wherein the candidate is reported to have taken off theirown clothes and put on a new white garment, symbolic of a new identity,now "dead to the world". There seems to have been a lot of ambiguoussymbolic and metaphoric interplay going on, the understanding of whichisn't helped by GThom, but it does seem to me that Gnostics generallyfelt that they had already undergone a figurative martyrdom, thus thata literal one was moot.Regards,Mike G.