8254RE: [GTh] Re: Son of Man
- Oct 3, 2008Mike,
>I was actually thinking about son of man, but you're right. I don't think
> > I think that the problem here is that both translations
> appear to be
> > possible and even in regular use in particular places and times, so
> > the reader needs to make decisions about which is the right
> one in the
> > particular context. Although I have not had time to look
> at the texts
> > in question, it would seem to me entirely possible that
> Thomas might
> > sometimes use it as a title and sometimes to indicate "a
> human being".
> If we're talking about 'p-rwme', then I think 'Man',
> 'Humanity', 'Human beings', even 'the human being' are pretty
> much interchangeable, but not '_a_ human being', which I
> wouldn't use for that.
p-rwme can be *a* human being.
>Sorry - what I was trying to say (I'm fighting a head cold and not thinking
> > And, of course, what we decide makes more sense in any
> given context
> > will depend on our particular understandings of what kind of text
> > Thomas is - gnostic, mystic etc.
> Oh, I don't know about that. I think one can make these
> decisions based on thematic consistency with other sayings
> whose meaning is pretty clear, without having any particular
> understanding of what kind of text Thomas is.
> At least, that's what I think I'm doing (:-)
as clearly as I might) is that we bring particular assumptions about a text
to the text and they influence how we translate it because, I think, they
can influence what we see as pretty clear meanings. At the most general
level, as was pointed out in the Thomas and Tatian thread, people who
assume that Thomas is dependent tend to see as obvious that any verbatim
bits demonstrate that Thomas follows the synoptics, when all that can really
be said is that the passages are the same. I'm not accusing you of doing
this, Mike, just saying that we need to be very careful to examine our
preconceptions when we need to make choices about translation and, indeed,
in deciding which passages are actually thematically consistent.
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