- Aug 1 11:46 PMMaurice responded:
> This sort of brings a new form of sanity to theApril De Conick's _Seek to See Him: Ascent & Vision Mysticism in the Gospel
> difficulty some of us (myself) have in hastily
> qualifying Thomas as "essentially Gnostic".
> After all, while Thomas does talk of "duality"
> and "the light", he dosen't even hint at concepts
> such as the demiurge, archons, etc. etc.
of Thomas_ (Leiden: Brill, 1996) doesn't seem to have affected or even
reached many GTh fans, probably because she "dispels the belief that [it]
originates from Gnostic traditions." [She argues for Jewish mystical and
"We should be speaking of an influx of traditions found in *Thomas* into
Gnosticism, not the influx of Gnosticism into *Thomas*." [p.27]
(For that matter, I also was surprised at the lack of reaction to John
Lupia's submittal back in March, likening GTh to the Toldoth Jeschu as
"purposefully anti-Christian propaganda." In his draft essay, he called the
GTh writings "comical derisions and parodies of Jesus' sayings,"
"cacography," and bawdy "hilarotragoedia," written by the Sadducees and
Pharisees. Talk about provocative! Interestingly, Lupia's thesis implies a
dating of them even earlier than many Thomas fans dare hope for: "early
30's, or perhaps earlier.")
> Could it be that at the time of the very earlyI myself lean toward "there was more marveling at who the HJ said he *was*
> church (pre canon) there was more marveling
> at what Jesus said and did than there was at
> the doctrine he preached, ...
and at what he did."
> ...I am trying to designate the concept or "ism"I found Pere Teilhard anti-demiurgical with no gnosis to peddle, and his
> of oneness of, and oneness with, the universe"
> preached by Teilhard de Chardin in recent years,
> (and largely rejected by the Church) but I find
> no way of designating it other than to think of it
> as being part of "a less popular aspect" of
> (nontheless) "Christianity". Perhaps the same
> was true in the early Church of what we call
eschatological Omega Point made him seem kind of messianic to me, but
ironically some fundamentalists brand him "a neo-Gnostic evolutionist." Take
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