4105Re: [GTh] #11
- Oct 4 10:41 AMJim,
I personally find it very hard to see apocalyptic elements in Thomas. I
suppose one could read it into 11, 79(b) and 111. Are these the passages to
which you refer and are there others I have missed here?
How does 11 relate to 12? In part the two are a couplet- the heavens
passing away- and heaven and earth coming into being. In 12 "for whose sake
heaven and earth came into being" is supposed to be some Aramaic idiomatic
expression which designates someone who is "especially blessed". Is 11 to be
read like this? Is the passing away of the heavens or skies in 11 to be read
as an idiomatic expression, apocalyptic or as some similar poetic flourish?
What about 111- "the heavens and the earth will roll up in your presence"? I
don't think it is clear that these are necessarily apocalyptic.
As for eating and consuming, that element seems a common thread in logions
6-14, inclusive, with that strangely split logion, beginning at 6 with the
end in 14, forming a bracket. Only 12 (James the Just) seems to be an
interloper. I have no idea why these are so grouped, but they seem to be.
6- fasting, diet
7- eating lion, being eaten
8- wise fisherman choosing biggest fish (for supper? or was he looking for a
9- worms eating seeds
10- fire consumes or devours
11- eat what is dead
12- (out of place)
13- drink from spring
- fire will devour you
14- eat what is set before you
Are we looking at evidence for a sacramental meal, or are these merely
sayings assembled around "eating and consuming" themes?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bauer" <jbauer@...>
To: "Gospel of Thomas" <email@example.com>
Cc: "Jerome H. Bauer" <JeromBauer@...>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:41 PM
Subject: [GTh] #11
> The recent events in the war against terrorism couldn't have come at a
more opportune time--the Millennium--or place--the Middle East--for the
apocalyptic Fundamentalists. With this in mind I undertook a reading of GTh
looking for apocalyptic statements. There were many, but the following
(#11) was unique in the way it inverts the "making the two into one"
> "Jesus said, this heaven will pass away and the one above it will pass
away. The dead are not alive and the living will not die. In the days when
you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to
dwell in the light what will you do? On the day when you were one you
became two. But when you become two what will you do?"
> This is the only other saying than "the man which the lion eats" (#7)
where poetic repetition--"what will you do?"--is used to emphasize a point.
Also along this line GTh speaks of "what is consumed" mentioned in #7. IMO
it is possibly an early reference to a communion sacrament.
> Jim Bauer
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