Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: Willem Jans Bakker en Martje Tjarls Smit

Expand Messages
  • jansikke
    Hello Robb, Thank you for your reaction, i changed Willem Jans parrents in my familytree. Your sollution makes more sence then the connection to Kranenburg
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 21, 2013
    • 0 Attachment
      Hello Robb,

      Thank you for your reaction, i changed Willem Jans parrents in my familytree. Your sollution makes more sence then the connection to Kranenburg because of some clovers on a gravestone.

      Greetings
      Jan Sikke

      --- In groningen-genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Henk en Leonore Blok" <H.Blok@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Robb,
      >
      >
      >
      > Garbrant Jans married Annechien Sickens (announcement 05-05-1717
      > Groningen)
      >
      > Your number 7, Hindrikje Jacobs is a daughter of Jacob Arents and
      > Diewerke Hendriks. Jacob was a "smid" in Spijk.
      >
      > Harmen Jans Suilman married 05-09-1690 Oterdum with Trijnje Clasen. She
      > died after 1741 (membershiplist church Oterdum). Trijnje had at least 2
      > brothers: Pieter and Arent.
      >
      >
      >
      > mvg
      >
      >
      >
      > Henk
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: groningen-genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:groningen-genealogy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robb Ouzts
      > Sent: vrijdag 15 maart 2013 7:49
      > To: groningen-genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Spam-verdenking] Re: [groningen-genealogy] Re: Willem Jans
      > Bakker en Martje Tjarls Smit
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Hallo Jan,
      >
      > I haven't been able to access court records for this family, that is the
      > only resource I can think of that might shed further lite on these
      > familylies. I think the Jan Willems & Eettien Garbrands are most likely
      > the correct parents because of locality and naming patterens. Using
      > those same principles, I have extracted ancestors for Eettien roughly,
      > as I can find no baptism for her or any full siblings. I believe her
      > parents are Garbrand Jans & Anje (Annegjen) Sikkes. They marry in 1717
      > in Aakerk in Groningen, Garbrand is from Spijk. I would guess that is
      > where there children were baptized. Unfortunately the earliest records
      > that have come down to us begin about 1735. So I haven't found any
      > baptisms of children for Anje & Garbrand. Anje marries 2nd in 1726 in
      > Tjamsweer (gemeente Appingedam) and her 2nd husband Dietert Jans is from
      > there, while she is from Spijk,. I believe he moved in with her after
      > their marriage. Again no baptisms for
      > children until 1735-1743 there are 4 children baptized, all in Spijk. I
      > think it likely they had other children though they may have died young,
      > as 3 of the 4 I did find for them were named Sikke. I am pretty sure
      > Anje's mother was Eetje, hence she likely had a daughter Eetje. Also
      > Eetje Garbrand's has a son Sikke, and this gives a an explanation for
      > that. Then her step-father being from gemeente Appingedam explains why
      > she might have been listed from there at her marriage in 1740. A good
      > genealogist continues to look for more support of his research, and
      > certainly court records if they exist for this family would help. I
      > submit this to the group. I have not been able to find marriage
      > contracts in the database I have for prior to 1750 (it's an oedipus
      > file) for the members of this family.
      >
      > mvg,
      > Robb.
      >
      > Link to what I have found:
      > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN
      > <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=raw
      > boots&id=I176090> &db=rawboots&id=I176090
      >
      > From: jansikke <jansikke@... <mailto:jansikke%40gmail.com> >
      > To: groningen-genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:groningen-genealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:55 AM
      > Subject: [groningen-genealogy] Re: Willem Jans Bakker en Martje Tjarls
      > Smit
      >
      >
      > Goedemiddag Frans,
      >
      > Ik heb de ouders inmiddels verandert naar Jan en Eettien, de link naar
      > Kranenburg omwille van een paar klavers op een zerk is wellicht wat ver
      > gezocht. Bedankt voor de reactie.
      >
      > Jan Sikke
      >
      > --- In mailto:groningen-genealogy%40yahoogroups.com, "Fr@ Krom"
      > <frans_krom_1@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Beste Jan,
      > >
      > >
      > > Betreffende de vernoemingen zouden Jan Willems een Eettien Garbrands
      > de ouders van Willem Jans Bakker kunnen zijn. Het vierde kind van Willem
      > Jans Bakker en Martje Tiarks Smit werd Eetje genoemd volgens de doop op
      > 12-2-1769 te Spijk. Een toch niet heel vaak voorkomende voornaam.
      > >
      > >
      > > Groet.
      > > Frans Krom
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
      > > Van: "jansikke" <jansikke@>
      > > Aan: mailto:groningen-genealogy%40yahoogroups.com
      > > Verzonden: Vrijdag 8 maart 2013 20:30:15
      > > Onderwerp: [groningen-genealogy] Willem Jans Bakker en Martje Tjarls
      > Smit
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Geachte Leden,
      > >
      > > Is er iemand die kan onderbouwen dat Willem Jans Bakker (geh.
      > 10-2-1763 te Spijk met Martje Tjarks Smit) een zoon is van Jan Willems
      > en Eettien Garbrands.
      > >
      > > Ik heb in het archief van dit forum een prachtig overzicht gevonden
      > van Arend Biewenga.
      > >
      > > Echter op de site www.kranenburgia.nl wordt zeer stellig (heb contact
      > gehad met dhr. Kranenburg)beweert dat Willem Jans Bakker een zoon is van
      > Jan Jans, in 1700 meyer op Klein Koppen in Bierum. Jan Jans is een zoon
      > van Jan Harkes Kranenburg (*1660 +7-5-1710.
      > > Dit levert vervolgens een zeer fraaie stamboom op.
      > >
      > > Dhr. Kranenburg trekt bovenstaande conclusie door 3 klavers op de
      > grafzerk van Tjark Willems Bakker (geb.1766 ov.3-2-1812)zoon van Willem
      > Jans en Martje in verband te brengen met het wapen van Jan Harkes
      > Kranenburg.
      > > Al met al heb ik even een objectieve blik nodig in bovenstaand.
      > >
      > > Vriendelijke groet Jan Sikke van der Zwaag
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
    Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.