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  • Stephen Craven
    For general information: Gareth, can this be tabled at the next monthly meeting for which I will probably have to send apologies.
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 12, 2013
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      For general information: Gareth, can this be tabled at the next monthly meeting for which I will probably have to send apologies.

       

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      I attended the consultation yesterday (Tuesday) about a proposed cycle route north-south through Maryon Wilson park, which at present has no officially sanctioned cycle paths, as part of a joined-up and mostly traffic-free route from the Thames Barrier to Hornfair Park and Shooters Hill Road.

       

      The presentation was given by Sam Margolis and someone from Hyder Consulting.  The path would be shared-use given that a survey showed very low numbers of cyclists through the park (only 8 in the peak hour on a weekday compared with 39 pedestrians).  Signage would be minimal although there may be need for some hard measures to prevent collisions where the cycle route crosses a pedestrian-only path on the corner of the animal enclosure.  

       

      There were just 9 in the audience, all but one representing local groups.  The majority were generally in favour (the exception being the representative of the Friends of the park, who is a regular cyclist himself but thought the Friends as a group would oppose the plan).  There was extensive discussion about how best to provide a safe crossing of Charlton Road to get into Charlton Park, given that the path will emerge from the park onto a blind bend in the road.  The current proposal is to widen a section of pavement by setting the park fence back to make the pavement wide enough for shared use, but several people opposed this as encouraging pavement cycling generally, and someone pointed out that the park is Metropolitan Open Space and taking some of it up for pavement may require legislation.  The other suggestion of an on-road cycle lane on the north side of the road may work for south-north traffic, but still leaves uncertainty how people leaving MW Park would safely get to the proposed pedestrian crossing near the Charlton Park entrance.

       

      My suggestion of also having a cycle route on the path to the north-east corner of the park (top of Thorntree Road) to link towards the existing path through Maryon Park, was rejected due to the gradient of the route.

       

      There will be a formal public consultation period once plans have been revised taking this consultation into account.

       

      Stephen

       

       

    • scarlgar
      Thanks Stephen, noted. Are they proposing a new crossing on Charlton Park Road as part of the proposals? At what point is the entrance to Charlton Park -
      Message 2 of 3 , Jun 13, 2013
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        Thanks Stephen, noted.

        Are they proposing a new crossing on Charlton Park Road as part of the proposals? At what point is the entrance to Charlton Park - presumably near to the Cemetery Lane junction?

        Best wishes,

        Gareth


        From: Stephen Craven <stephen@...>
        To: greenwichcyclists@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 0:21
        Subject: [greenwichcyclists] Maryon Wilson Park



        For general information: Gareth, can this be tabled at the next monthly meeting for which I will probably have to send apologies.
         
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        I attended the consultation yesterday (Tuesday) about a proposed cycle route north-south through Maryon Wilson park, which at present has no officially sanctioned cycle paths, as part of a joined-up and mostly traffic-free route from the Thames Barrier to Hornfair Park and Shooters Hill Road.
         
        The presentation was given by Sam Margolis and someone from Hyder Consulting.  The path would be shared-use given that a survey showed very low numbers of cyclists through the park (only 8 in the peak hour on a weekday compared with 39 pedestrians).  Signage would be minimal although there may be need for some hard measures to prevent collisions where the cycle route crosses a pedestrian-only path on the corner of the animal enclosure.  
         
        There were just 9 in the audience, all but one representing local groups.  The majority were generally in favour (the exception being the representative of the Friends of the park, who is a regular cyclist himself but thought the Friends as a group would oppose the plan).  There was extensive discussion about how best to provide a safe crossing of Charlton Road to get into Charlton Park, given that the path will emerge from the park onto a blind bend in the road.  The current proposal is to widen a section of pavement by setting the park fence back to make the pavement wide enough for shared use, but several people opposed this as encouraging pavement cycling generally, and someone pointed out that the park is Metropolitan Open Space and taking some of it up for pavement may require legislation.  The other suggestion of an on-road cycle lane on the north side of the road may work for south-north traffic, but still leaves uncertainty how people leaving MW Park would safely get to the proposed pedestrian crossing near the Charlton Park entrance.
         
        My suggestion of also having a cycle route on the path to the north-east corner of the park (top of Thorntree Road) to link towards the existing path through Maryon Park, was rejected due to the gradient of the route.
         
        There will be a formal public consultation period once plans have been revised taking this consultation into account.
         
        Stephen
         
         




      • Stephen Craven
        Gareth The park entrance in question is the one by Charlton Park school. There is only a pedestrian island at present, what they propose is a zebra (not
        Message 3 of 3 , Jun 13, 2013
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          Gareth

           

          The park entrance in question is the one by Charlton Park school.  There is only a pedestrian island at present, what they propose is a zebra (not pelican or toucan or any other animal).

           

          Stephen

           

          From: greenwichcyclists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:greenwichcyclists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scarlgar
          Sent: 13 June 2013 08:39
          To: greenwichcyclists@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [greenwichcyclists] Maryon Wilson Park

           




          Thanks Stephen, noted.

           

          Are they proposing a new crossing on Charlton Park Road as part of the proposals? At what point is the entrance to Charlton Park - presumably near to the Cemetery Lane junction?

           

          Best wishes,

           

          Gareth

           


          From: Stephen Craven <stephen@...>
          To: greenwichcyclists@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 0:21
          Subject: [greenwichcyclists] Maryon Wilson Park

           

           

          For general information: Gareth, can this be tabled at the next monthly meeting for which I will probably have to send apologies.

           

          ________________________________________________________

           

           

          I attended the consultation yesterday (Tuesday) about a proposed cycle route north-south through Maryon Wilson park, which at present has no officially sanctioned cycle paths, as part of a joined-up and mostly traffic-free route from the Thames Barrier to Hornfair Park and Shooters Hill Road.

           

          The presentation was given by Sam Margolis and someone from Hyder Consulting.  The path would be shared-use given that a survey showed very low numbers of cyclists through the park (only 8 in the peak hour on a weekday compared with 39 pedestrians).  Signage would be minimal although there may be need for some hard measures to prevent collisions where the cycle route crosses a pedestrian-only path on the corner of the animal enclosure.  

           

          There were just 9 in the audience, all but one representing local groups.  The majority were generally in favour (the exception being the representative of the Friends of the park, who is a regular cyclist himself but thought the Friends as a group would oppose the plan).  There was extensive discussion about how best to provide a safe crossing of Charlton Road to get into Charlton Park, given that the path will emerge from the park onto a blind bend in the road.  The current proposal is to widen a section of pavement by setting the park fence back to make the pavement wide enough for shared use, but several people opposed this as encouraging pavement cycling generally, and someone pointed out that the park is Metropolitan Open Space and taking some of it up for pavement may require legislation.  The other suggestion of an on-road cycle lane on the north side of the road may work for south-north traffic, but still leaves uncertainty how people leaving MW Park would safely get to the proposed pedestrian crossing near the Charlton Park entrance.

           

          My suggestion of also having a cycle route on the path to the north-east corner of the park (top of Thorntree Road) to link towards the existing path through Maryon Park, was rejected due to the gradient of the route.

           

          There will be a formal public consultation period once plans have been revised taking this consultation into account.

           

          Stephen

           

           

           

           




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