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Re: [govtrack] [Fwd: [open-gov] RFP: Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations]

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  • Josh Tauberer
    Interesting points. You d have to talk to Carl about it though. - Josh Tauberer - GovTrack.us http://razor.occams.info Yields falsehood when preceded by its
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      Interesting points. You'd have to talk to Carl about it though.

      - Josh Tauberer
      - GovTrack.us


      "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
      falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
      Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)

      On 06/02/2009 09:18 PM, Harvey S. Frey wrote:
      > Josh:
      > >However, legal record copies of material incorporated by reference are
      > also filed at the Office of the Federal Register (OFR) and other NARA
      > facilities. *OFR does not distribute IBR materials.<*
      > **
      > Is there a legislator interested in carrying a bill which would require
      > OFR to place all IBR materials online? That would satisfy the
      > requirement that the FR isn't overloaded with technical material, yet
      > provide public access.
      > In any case, instead of looking everywhere for copies, why not get the
      > ones which OFR is required to have on file? Even if OFR doesn't
      > "distribute" them, they surely must be required to allow access to them
      > for copying. If they don't, That ought to be the basis for another
      > Veeck-like suit.
      > Harvey
      > =====================
      > Harvey S. Frey MD PhD Esq.
      > hsfrey@... <mailto:hsfrey@...> www.harp.org <http://www.harp.org>
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      > - Benjamin Franklin
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      > ----- Original Message -----
      > *From:* Josh Tauberer <mailto:tauberer@...>
      > *To:* GovTrack List <mailto:govtrack@yahoogroups.com>
      > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
      > *Subject:* [govtrack] [Fwd: [open-gov] RFP: Enhanced Code of Federal
      > Regulations]
      > Since I put some funding into this, I hope some people will help out...
      > - Josh Tauberer
      > - GovTrack.us
      > http://razor.occams.info
      > "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
      > falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
      > Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
      > -------- Original Message --------
      > Subject: [open-gov] RFP: Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations
      > Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
      > From: Carl Malamud <carl+google@...
      > <mailto:carl+google@...>>
      > Reply-To: open-government@...
      > <mailto:open-government@...>
      > To: Open Government <open-government@...
      > <mailto:open-government@...>>
      > Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations
      > Request for Paper, Public.Resource.Org, RFP CFR-06012009
      > This RFP is a call for assistance from librarians and other civic-
      > minded individuals. In 2008, Public.Resource.Org, with the assistance
      > of a variety of parties including the Sunlight Foundation,
      > GovTrack.US, Stanford University, and Google, purchased a bulk feed of
      > the Code of Federal Regulations, a product sold by the Government
      > Printing Office.[1] This RFP details the second stage of this
      > program.
      > Many readers are familiar with past efforts of Public.Resource.Org to
      > make available major public safety codes from the 50 states.[2] Our
      > authorization for posting these documents for public distribution is
      > contained in the Veeck decision, which held that any technical
      > standards duly Incorporated by Reference into law must be broadly
      > available for all to use, as all our laws must.[3] This same
      > mechanism, Incorporation by Reference, is also used extensively at the
      > Federal Level, particularly in the Code of Federal Regulations where
      > thousands of such technical standards are made legally binding as part
      > of executive branch regulations.[4]
      > Public.Resource.Org has received a grant from Sunlight Foundation to
      > create an Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations, which will Incorporate
      > by Inclusion all standards that have been Incorporated by Reference.
      > In addition to support from the Sunlight Foundation,
      > Public.Resource.Org gratefully acknowledges the prior assistance of
      > the Omidyar Network which previously funded our work in 2007 and 2008,
      > and which has also provided substantial support to the Sunlight
      > Foundation enabling them to fund work such as the present RFP.
      > In order to incorporate a standard by inclusion, we must match the
      > exact version of the standard with the language in the Code of Federal
      > Regulations. For example, if the CFR incorporates the 2000 version of
      > ANSI Z21.1–2000, Household Cooking Gas Appliances, we can only
      > incorporate that specific version and not subsequent or prior
      > editions.
      > There are two sources, in addition to the Code of Federal Regulations
      > itself, for determining if a technical standard has been
      > incorporated. First, the government runs a database at NIST that
      > includes this material.[5] Second, Public.Resource.Org did a manual
      > scan of the CFR and pulled out as many references to technical
      > standards as we could find.[6]
      > In this RFP, we are asking for assistance from the Library Community
      > and other individuals to provide us with copies of any such standards
      > they might have. We are particularly interested in documents from the
      > American National Standards Institute (ANSI), the American Society for
      > Testing and Materials (ASTM), the American Boat and Yachting Club
      > (ABYC), American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME), the American
      > Petroleum Institute (API), the Electrical Industries Association
      > (EIA), the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), the
      > National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the Society of Automotive
      > Engineres (SAE), and Underwriters Laboratories.
      > Many of these standards cost hundreds of dollars apiece, and very few
      > public libraries in the U.S. appear to have copies of any of these.
      > Your assistance in making these vital technical standards more widely
      > available would be greatly appreciated. One of the few libraries with
      > an extensive collection of these technical standards is the Illinois
      > State Library in Springfield, Illinois. We are looking for a student
      > who would be interested in doing some scanning in that library for a
      > few days. In addition, you can use a tool such as WorldCat.Org to try
      > and find specific standards at a library near you.
      > Those interested in contributing materials may contact me from our
      > "about" page.[7]
      > Best regards,
      > Carl Malamud
      > Public.Resource.Org
      > Resources:
      > [1] Public.Resource.Org, Letter to the Public Printer, 06/17/2008
      > http://public.resource.org/gpo.gov
      > [2] Public.Resource.Org, Welcome to Code City, 09/01/2008
      > http://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/
      > [3] Veeck v. Southern Building Code Congress, 293 F.3d 791, June 7,
      > 2002.
      > http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/293/293.F3d.791.99-40632.html
      > [4] National Archives, Incorporation By Reference
      > http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/cfr/ibr-locations.html
      > [5] National Institutes of Standards and Technology, SIBR Database
      > http://standards.gov/sibr/query/index.cfm
      > [6] Public.Resource.Org, Partial List of Standards Incorporated
      > http://public.resource.org/ecfr.nara.gov/shopping.list.html
      > [7] Public.Resource.Org, Contact Page
      > http://public.resource.org/about/
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