Re: [govtrack] [Fwd: [open-gov] RFP: Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations]
- Interesting points. You'd have to talk to Carl about it though.
- Josh Tauberer
"Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
On 06/02/2009 09:18 PM, Harvey S. Frey wrote:
> >However, legal record copies of material incorporated by reference are
> also filed at the Office of the Federal Register (OFR) and other NARA
> facilities. *OFR does not distribute IBR materials.<*
> Is there a legislator interested in carrying a bill which would require
> OFR to place all IBR materials online? That would satisfy the
> requirement that the FR isn't overloaded with technical material, yet
> provide public access.
> In any case, instead of looking everywhere for copies, why not get the
> ones which OFR is required to have on file? Even if OFR doesn't
> "distribute" them, they surely must be required to allow access to them
> for copying. If they don't, That ought to be the basis for another
> Veeck-like suit.
> Harvey S. Frey MD PhD Esq.
> hsfrey@... <mailto:hsfrey@...> www.harp.org <http://www.harp.org>
> Contentment makes poor men rich;
> discontent makes rich men poor.
> - Benjamin Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Josh Tauberer <mailto:tauberer@...>
> *To:* GovTrack List <mailto:email@example.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
> *Subject:* [govtrack] [Fwd: [open-gov] RFP: Enhanced Code of Federal
> Since I put some funding into this, I hope some people will help out...
> - Josh Tauberer
> - GovTrack.us
> "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
> falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
> Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [open-gov] RFP: Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Carl Malamud <carl+google@...
> Reply-To: open-government@...
> To: Open Government <open-government@...
> Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations
> Request for Paper, Public.Resource.Org, RFP CFR-06012009
> This RFP is a call for assistance from librarians and other civic-
> minded individuals. In 2008, Public.Resource.Org, with the assistance
> of a variety of parties including the Sunlight Foundation,
> GovTrack.US, Stanford University, and Google, purchased a bulk feed of
> the Code of Federal Regulations, a product sold by the Government
> Printing Office. This RFP details the second stage of this
> Many readers are familiar with past efforts of Public.Resource.Org to
> make available major public safety codes from the 50 states. Our
> authorization for posting these documents for public distribution is
> contained in the Veeck decision, which held that any technical
> standards duly Incorporated by Reference into law must be broadly
> available for all to use, as all our laws must. This same
> mechanism, Incorporation by Reference, is also used extensively at the
> Federal Level, particularly in the Code of Federal Regulations where
> thousands of such technical standards are made legally binding as part
> of executive branch regulations.
> Public.Resource.Org has received a grant from Sunlight Foundation to
> create an Enhanced Code of Federal Regulations, which will Incorporate
> by Inclusion all standards that have been Incorporated by Reference.
> In addition to support from the Sunlight Foundation,
> Public.Resource.Org gratefully acknowledges the prior assistance of
> the Omidyar Network which previously funded our work in 2007 and 2008,
> and which has also provided substantial support to the Sunlight
> Foundation enabling them to fund work such as the present RFP.
> In order to incorporate a standard by inclusion, we must match the
> exact version of the standard with the language in the Code of Federal
> Regulations. For example, if the CFR incorporates the 2000 version of
> ANSI Z21.1–2000, Household Cooking Gas Appliances, we can only
> incorporate that specific version and not subsequent or prior
> There are two sources, in addition to the Code of Federal Regulations
> itself, for determining if a technical standard has been
> incorporated. First, the government runs a database at NIST that
> includes this material. Second, Public.Resource.Org did a manual
> scan of the CFR and pulled out as many references to technical
> standards as we could find.
> In this RFP, we are asking for assistance from the Library Community
> and other individuals to provide us with copies of any such standards
> they might have. We are particularly interested in documents from the
> American National Standards Institute (ANSI), the American Society for
> Testing and Materials (ASTM), the American Boat and Yachting Club
> (ABYC), American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME), the American
> Petroleum Institute (API), the Electrical Industries Association
> (EIA), the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), the
> National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the Society of Automotive
> Engineres (SAE), and Underwriters Laboratories.
> Many of these standards cost hundreds of dollars apiece, and very few
> public libraries in the U.S. appear to have copies of any of these.
> Your assistance in making these vital technical standards more widely
> available would be greatly appreciated. One of the few libraries with
> an extensive collection of these technical standards is the Illinois
> State Library in Springfield, Illinois. We are looking for a student
> who would be interested in doing some scanning in that library for a
> few days. In addition, you can use a tool such as WorldCat.Org to try
> and find specific standards at a library near you.
> Those interested in contributing materials may contact me from our
> "about" page.
> Best regards,
> Carl Malamud
>  Public.Resource.Org, Letter to the Public Printer, 06/17/2008
>  Public.Resource.Org, Welcome to Code City, 09/01/2008
>  Veeck v. Southern Building Code Congress, 293 F.3d 791, June 7,
>  National Archives, Incorporation By Reference
>  National Institutes of Standards and Technology, SIBR Database
>  Public.Resource.Org, Partial List of Standards Incorporated
>  Public.Resource.Org, Contact Page
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