Re: [govtrack] I need help!
- On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Dale Moore <DaleEMoore@...> wrote:
> Is c#, .NET or MONO an option?In case you didn't see Josh's prior response, quoting:
> What is your preferred language for the scripts you write to manipulateI use Perl. If I were to start over again today I'd probably use Python.
> the bill text?
But, to the extent anyone wants to contribute, I would prefer Perl so
they could reuse my existing routines, but I would gladly accept Python
and maybe other languages.
- I'm a little confused- Coldfusion (proprietary add-on to a graphic package) ???Are you saying Coldfusion is a graphic application ?-----------------------------------As for PHP - it's not a bad language - like any language... it has it's benefits and drawbacks.In my own opinion - proprietary is not always a bad choice. Most of the application we develop and have developed - have been for proprietary purposes.The scale and use of our applications are always a large consideration when reviewing the range of choices (development languages) available.Our actual preferred language is C++... though not very useful as web language - it suffices well for backend development.We primarily use it for real-time interaction.Pierre
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Code has to be maintained.
When a development project goes live, less than half its full
life-cycle cost has been spent; the rest is modification.
Personally, I'm thumbs up on PHP (objects available, not mandatory,
btw), and thumbs down on ColdFusion (proprietary add-on to a graphics
package), but regardless, one of the first rules of good code is Make
it readable, Make it modifiable.
It might run like gold and still be bad code.
At 09:27 AM 7/2/2008, Mark Fredrickson <mark.m.fredrickson@ gmail.com> wrote:
>I call "bikeshed" on this discussion . Code is gold: if youcan
>write something in Coldfusion, do so. If you can write it inluck,
>something else, do so.
http://www.bikeshed .com/ and
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Color_of_ the_bikeshed
>Jul 2, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Derek Willis wrote:
>not cold fusion. -1 (or as many as I can muster).
>>Jul 2, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Pierre Demester
>> > Coldfusion is similar to ASP (Microsoft) and PHP (openlanguage.
>> source)... in that it
>> > is a scripting
>> >whereas Coldfusion (CF) (developed
>> > PHP has Object Orientation (OO) -
>> > (Jeremy) Allaire and BenForta, then sold to Macromedia, bought by Adobe)
>> > resemblesHTML.
Plato had defined the human being as an animal, biped and
featherless, and was applauded. Diogenes plucked a fowl and brought
it into the lecture-room with the words, 'Here is Plato's human
being.' In consequence of which there was added to the definition,
'having broad nails'.
- Pierre Demester wrote:
> I'm a little confusedOkay, okay, let's not have this list turn into a discussion about
> - Coldfusion (proprietary add-on to a graphic package) ???
The priority should be finding a *civic project* to work on, not what
language to use for the project. Project first, language second.
- Hi Josh,
I have some availability to work on GovTrack over the next few months. My interest is in state legislation, however I'm happy to start with some of the higher priority items.
My question is, would it make sense to start a govtrack-development group? Obviously we don't want to debate programming languages, but there are probably some architectural questions that will inspire just as much traffic.
Some examples of things that could be discussed in a new group:
Since GovTrack is in .NET and Perl, is there a way for PHP/Python/Ada programmers to contribute?
Should GovTrack use a DB as well as XML?
Anyone know how X works?
I get error Y when running piece Z of govtrack, anyone know why?
I think Yahoo Groups will do polls, do you want to create a poll for whether a development group is needed?
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Josh Tauberer <tauberer@...> wrote:
With the recent discussion about writing bills on a wiki, I know there
are people here with good technical skills! So I'm writing my periodical
pitch to get some help with GovTrack. If you want to earn some money
helping GovTrack, that might also be possible to arrange.
I've been expanding my list of project ideas here:
Here are a few:
- Display on a bill page a list of sections of the U.S. Code that would
be modified, by looking for references in the bill text.
- Researching what the different types of votes are (like 'motion to
recommit with instructions') and adding explanatory text to the site.
- Tagging bills (crowd-sourcing)
- Make the website fully compliant with accessibility standards
Need I say that GovTrack is quite popular and your contributions will
benefit thousands of people each day? :)
- Josh Tauberer
"Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
- Gabe Hamilton wrote:
> Hi Josh,Hey, Gabe.
> I have some availability to work on GovTrack over the next few
> months. My interest is in state legislation, however I'm happy to start
> with some of the higher priority items.
Glad to hear you could help out. Don't flake out on me now. :)
> My question is, would it make sense to start a govtrack-developmentI think when the time comes we'll deal with it then.
> group? Obviously we don't want to debate programming languages, but
> there are probably some architectural questions that will inspire just
> as much traffic.
(Any lurkers that have an opinion on what they'd like to receive on this
list are welcome to email me off list with opinions.)