Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: Fwd: [govtrack] question about voting

Expand Messages
  • Josh Tauberer
    ... To do what? ... There are some subject terms for regions: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/subjects.xpd?type=crs&term=New%20York%20State I don t know
    Message 1 of 21 , Jun 22, 2008
    • 0 Attachment
      Ralph Yozzo wrote:
      > Wow, thanks! I will look at the information and help where I can.
      >
      > One question I had is: What RSS feed would be good to start with?

      To do what?

      > Is there a way to get a feed that contains only issues that affect a
      > certain state, city or zip code.

      There are some subject terms for regions:
      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/subjects.xpd?type=crs&term=New%20York%20State

      I don't know whether there is one for every state, for instance.

      > Is there a way to give a keyword and search across bills to get only the
      > ones that contain the search criteria.
      >
      > There seems to be a way to do this and get back an XML feed. But I'm
      > wondering if the RSS feed interface supports a query string parameter.

      The RSS feeds are really only intended to be used by RSS readers. To do
      anything interesting with the data, I really prefer people use the APIs
      or download the XML data files directly (as described on the Source page).

      Best,

      --
      - Josh Tauberer
      - GovTrack.us

      http://razor.occams.info

      "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
      falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
      Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
    • Ralph Yozzo
      ... Sorry for the vague question. What I meant was, Is there a feed that is dedicated to the current well known issues? For example, universal
      Message 2 of 21 , Jun 22, 2008
      • 0 Attachment
        >> One question I had is: What RSS feed would be good to start with?

        > To do what?

        Sorry for the vague question.  What I meant was, "Is there a feed that is dedicated to the current well known issues?"  For example,  "universal healthcare", "internet neutrality".

        I'm imagining that the casual initial user of the voting option would be overwhelmed by voting on issues like "Route 20A widening" or some other very location specific bill, but might be more interested if the topic affected them.

        >
        The RSS feeds are really only intended to be used by RSS readers. To do
        > anything interesting with the data, I really prefer people use the APIs
        > or download the XML data files directly (as described on the Source page).

        Okay, thanks for the information about the data feeds that should be used.  I'll look at the api.

        Thanks for your help and patience.

        Ralph

        On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Josh Tauberer <tauberer@...> wrote:

        Ralph Yozzo wrote:
        > Wow, thanks! I will look at the information and help where I can.
        >
        > One question I had is: What RSS feed would be good to start with?

        To do what?


        > Is there a way to get a feed that contains only issues that affect a
        > certain state, city or zip code.

        There are some subject terms for regions:
        http://www.govtrack.us/congress/subjects.xpd?type=crs&term=New%20York%20State

        I don't know whether there is one for every state, for instance.


        > Is there a way to give a keyword and search across bills to get only the
        > ones that contain the search criteria.
        >
        > There seems to be a way to do this and get back an XML feed. But I'm
        > wondering if the RSS feed interface supports a query string parameter.

        The RSS feeds are really only intended to be used by RSS readers. To do
        anything interesting with the data, I really prefer people use the APIs
        or download the XML data files directly (as described on the Source page).

        Best,


        --
        - Josh Tauberer
        - GovTrack.us

        http://razor.occams.info

        "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
        falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
        Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)

      • ron.cadby
        I really appreciate your efforts and intentions, and it s a *great* idea to have a place to go to vote and comment. I do see a conundrum re Democracy vs
        Message 3 of 21 , Jun 22, 2008
        • 0 Attachment
          I really appreciate your efforts and intentions, and it's a *great*
          idea to have a place to go to vote and comment.

          I do see a conundrum re Democracy vs Republic, however.
          Unfortunately, the norm, even within Congress, is to believe our
          system of government is the former when, in reality, it is defined in
          no uncertain terms to be the latter.

          It is important, though that we have a venue to be able to pass on
          our choices to the elected. The trick is to get them to pay
          attention. Perhaps we can them to see the results from your site.
          That would be a good thing.

          DownsizeDC.org does a good job, but it would be even better if
          results from you site could be sent in some way to Congress to get
          them to act (or behave) as they should according to our wishes.

          The above, BTW, does create send new legislation with some success. I
          use their service fairly often to augment my activism.

          ....Ron

          --- In govtrack@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Yozzo" <fedex1@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi,
          >
          > I've created a webapp that uses one of the RSS feeds that
          > govtrack.usprovides to allow all people to vote on all issues.
          >
          > The site is at:
          > http://peoples-vote.brooklynmarathon.com/
          >
          >
          > The idea is that people must be more involved in the issues that
          affect us.
          > We need to get away from this "every four years elect a savior"
          mentality.
          >
          > Is the voting function already on the site? It would be nice if
          millions
          > of billions of people across the world would weigh in on the
          issues. Maybe
          > new bills should be created. For instance, "universal health care"
          bill,
          > "end the war in iraq" bill, or "books not bombs" bill.
          >
          > I realize that all change takes time, but a more involved, more
          aware public
          > is a good thing.
          >
          > Hopefully over time people will evolve to where the government
          serves the
          > people instead of the people serving the government.
          >
        • Ralph Yozzo
          I agree with you. This confusion seems to be engineered by the white house, congress, and their lap dog, the mass media. My question is: What is the best
          Message 4 of 21 , Jun 22, 2008
          • 0 Attachment
            I agree with you.  This confusion seems to be engineered by the white house, congress, and their lap dog, the mass media.

            My question is:  What is the best form of government for today?

            • democracy.   Opponents say this leads to "mob rule". My experience seems to be the opposite.  The majority does not seem to be able to organize.  It seems that the opposite happens.  The minority "corporatocracy" rule of the corporations which is tied closely to the "ruling elite" which are less than 1% of the population and which own 1/3 of the country and which own most of the mass media, factories, politicians, judges, etc.
            • representative republic what the US constitution defines. Thanks to the war powers act and other acts that show the congress's neglect of it's responsibility, the US actually has something closer to a 4 or 8 year totalitarian rule.  The more corrupt, the more likely it will be an 8 year rule.  Why is it we wait until the despot is old and gray, on his way out, and can do no more harm to impeach them?
            • Libertarian socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberterian_socialism
            • Anarcho-syndicalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
            • Anarchism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
            • add your own.


            On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:56 PM, ron.cadby <DieFree@...> wrote:

            I really appreciate your efforts and intentions, and it's a *great*
            idea to have a place to go to vote and comment.

            I do see a conundrum re Democracy vs Republic, however.
            Unfortunately, the norm, even within Congress, is to believe our
            system of government is the former when, in reality, it is defined in
            no uncertain terms to be the latter.

            It is important, though that we have a venue to be able to pass on
            our choices to the elected. The trick is to get them to pay
            attention. Perhaps we can them to see the results from your site.
            That would be a good thing.

            DownsizeDC.org does a good job, but it would be even better if
            results from you site could be sent in some way to Congress to get
            them to act (or behave) as they should according to our wishes.

            The above, BTW, does create send new legislation with some success. I
            use their service fairly often to augment my activism.

            ....Ron



            --- In govtrack@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Yozzo" <fedex1@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi,
            >
            > I've created a webapp that uses one of the RSS feeds that
            > govtrack.usprovides to allow all people to vote on all issues.

            >
            > The site is at:
            > http://peoples-vote.brooklynmarathon.com/
            >
            >
            > The idea is that people must be more involved in the issues that
            affect us.
            > We need to get away from this "every four years elect a savior"
            mentality.
            >
            > Is the voting function already on the site? It would be nice if
            millions
            > of billions of people across the world would weigh in on the
            issues. Maybe
            > new bills should be created. For instance, "universal health care"
            bill,
            > "end the war in iraq" bill, or "books not bombs" bill.
            >
            > I realize that all change takes time, but a more involved, more
            aware public
            > is a good thing.
            >
            > Hopefully over time people will evolve to where the government
            serves the
            > people instead of the people serving the government.
            >


          • tay199
            I d actually like to see some new collaborative writing tools developed to facilitate this. (mixedink.com is working on something... I d like to see some
            Message 5 of 21 , Jun 23, 2008
            • 0 Attachment
              "I'd actually like to see some new collaborative writing tools
              developed to facilitate this. (mixedink.com is working on something...
              I'd like to see some revolutionary ideas though...)"

              Ok, anyone have any "revolutionary ideas"?
            • tay199
              ... current well known issues? For example, universal healthcare , internet neutrality . Check out Govit.com, bills are sorted by recently popular. You
              Message 6 of 21 , Jun 23, 2008
              • 0 Attachment
                >> "What I meant was, "Is there a feed that is dedicated to the
                current well known issues?" For example, "universal healthcare",
                "internet neutrality"."

                Check out Govit.com, bills are sorted by recently popular. You can
                also sort by most votes.

                This gives a pretty good idea of what's important to the people
                visiting the site. However, more people would yield a better sample.


                >> "Is there a way to give a keyword and search across bills to get
                only the ones that contain the search criteria."

                You can search for keywords on govit. However, different bills use
                different keywords for the same thing.

                For example, some bill use "global warming" in their description...
                http://www.govit.com/pages/SearchPage.aspx?Search=global%20warming

                Other's use "climate change"
                http://www.govit.com/pages/SearchPage.aspx?Search=climate%20change
              • hsfrey
                Why must this wait for something revolutionary ? There are plenty of kludges out there that will let us get started, if we really want to do it. Why not a
                Message 7 of 21 , Jun 23, 2008
                • 0 Attachment
                  Why must this wait for something "revolutionary"?

                  There are plenty of kludges out there that will let us get started, if
                  we really want to do it.

                  Why not a wiki, or a forum, or a listserve, or even the "track
                  changes" option on WinWord.

                  Mixedink seems to be WishWare.

                  For an initial project, I'd like to see something to fix the
                  preemption provisions of ERISA. And I already have a draft. <G>

                  Harvey

                  --- In govtrack@yahoogroups.com, "tay199" <tay199@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > "I'd actually like to see some new collaborative writing tools
                  > developed to facilitate this. (mixedink.com is working on something...
                  > I'd like to see some revolutionary ideas though...)"
                  >
                  > Ok, anyone have any "revolutionary ideas"?
                  >
                • Josh Tauberer
                  ... Well, go for it, by all means. :) But to add a sense of reality- Members of Congress have little interest in what ordinary people say, beyond what can be
                  Message 8 of 21 , Jun 23, 2008
                  • 0 Attachment
                    hsfrey wrote:
                    > Why must this wait for something "revolutionary"?
                    >
                    > There are plenty of kludges out there that will let us get started, if
                    > we really want to do it.
                    >
                    > Why not a wiki, or a forum, or a listserve, or even the "track
                    > changes" option on WinWord.

                    Well, go for it, by all means. :)

                    But to add a sense of reality- Members of Congress have little interest
                    in what ordinary people say, beyond what can be reduced to a single
                    word. That's not entirely because they don't care, but largely because
                    they can't open their ears to everyone. And it takes a lot of voices to
                    be heard, considerably more than one can muster without a lot of
                    experience in doing that. And there needs to be considerably more people
                    involved than can coherently work together using a wiki, forum, or mail
                    list. We're talking thousands if not tens of thousands for national issues.

                    And that's just the technical challenge. The social challenges are much
                    more difficult.

                    A prototype using any technology might be informative, but I think only
                    a creative technological approach could really work.

                    > Mixedink seems to be WishWare.

                    I know they had a coherent plan at one point.

                    --
                    - Josh Tauberer
                    - GovTrack.us

                    http://razor.occams.info

                    "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                    falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                    Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
                  • Harvey Frey
                    Josh: So what you re saying is that the technical issues raised by tay199 are irrelevant, since there is no practical way to get the attention of any
                    Message 9 of 21 , Jun 23, 2008
                    • 0 Attachment
                      Josh:
                       
                          So what you're saying is that the technical issues raised by tay199 are irrelevant, since there is no practical way to get the attention of any congresspeople, short of arriving with large checks in hand.
                       
                          I don't know that that's necessarily so, since I've been asked, out of the blue, (just on the basis of my website) to help a congressman and later a senator draft legislation on the ERISA issue.
                       
                          Of course, neither of them paid any attention to what I wrote. <G>
                      But I think that's because they were both republicans and not sympathetic to my more patient-oriented initiatives.  
                       
                          So, I wouldn't be completely pessimistic, given that we may have a new congress more interested in new approaches.
                       
                      Harvey
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:02 PM
                      Subject: Re: [govtrack] Re: question about voting

                      hsfrey wrote:
                      > Why must this wait for something "revolutionary" ?
                      >
                      > There are plenty of kludges out there that will let us get started, if
                      > we really want to do it.
                      >
                      > Why not a wiki, or a forum, or a listserve, or even the "track
                      > changes" option on WinWord.

                      Well, go for it, by all means. :)

                      But to add a sense of reality- Members of Congress have little interest
                      in what ordinary people say, beyond what can be reduced to a single
                      word. That's not entirely because they don't care, but largely because
                      they can't open their ears to everyone. And it takes a lot of voices to
                      be heard, considerably more than one can muster without a lot of
                      experience in doing that. And there needs to be considerably more people
                      involved than can coherently work together using a wiki, forum, or mail
                      list. We're talking thousands if not tens of thousands for national issues.

                      And that's just the technical challenge. The social challenges are much
                      more difficult.

                      A prototype using any technology might be informative, but I think only
                      a creative technological approach could really work.

                      > Mixedink seems to be WishWare.

                      I know they had a coherent plan at one point.

                      --
                      - Josh Tauberer
                      - GovTrack.us

                      http://razor. occams.info

                      "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                      falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                      Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)

                    • tay199
                      So what do you guys have in mind? Is as simple as write-a-bill with wiki backbone? If so, this is very doable. ... tay199 are irrelevant, since there is no
                      Message 10 of 21 , Jun 24, 2008
                      • 0 Attachment
                        So what do you guys have in mind? Is as simple as "write-a-bill" with
                        wiki backbone? If so, this is very doable.









                        --- In govtrack@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey Frey" <hsfrey@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Josh:
                        >
                        > So what you're saying is that the technical issues raised by
                        tay199 are irrelevant, since there is no practical way to get the
                        attention of any congresspeople, short of arriving with large checks
                        in hand.
                        >
                        > I don't know that that's necessarily so, since I've been asked,
                        out of the blue, (just on the basis of my website) to help a
                        congressman and later a senator draft legislation on the ERISA issue.
                        >
                        > Of course, neither of them paid any attention to what I wrote. <G>
                        > But I think that's because they were both republicans and not
                        sympathetic to my more patient-oriented initiatives.
                        >
                        > So, I wouldn't be completely pessimistic, given that we may have
                        a new congress more interested in new approaches.
                        >
                        > Harvey
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Josh Tauberer
                        > To: govtrack@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:02 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [govtrack] Re: question about voting
                        >
                        >
                        > hsfrey wrote:
                        > > Why must this wait for something "revolutionary"?
                        > >
                        > > There are plenty of kludges out there that will let us get
                        started, if
                        > > we really want to do it.
                        > >
                        > > Why not a wiki, or a forum, or a listserve, or even the "track
                        > > changes" option on WinWord.
                        >
                        > Well, go for it, by all means. :)
                        >
                        > But to add a sense of reality- Members of Congress have little
                        interest
                        > in what ordinary people say, beyond what can be reduced to a single
                        > word. That's not entirely because they don't care, but largely
                        because
                        > they can't open their ears to everyone. And it takes a lot of
                        voices to
                        > be heard, considerably more than one can muster without a lot of
                        > experience in doing that. And there needs to be considerably more
                        people
                        > involved than can coherently work together using a wiki, forum, or
                        mail
                        > list. We're talking thousands if not tens of thousands for
                        national issues.
                        >
                        > And that's just the technical challenge. The social challenges are
                        much
                        > more difficult.
                        >
                        > A prototype using any technology might be informative, but I think
                        only
                        > a creative technological approach could really work.
                        >
                        > > Mixedink seems to be WishWare.
                        >
                        > I know they had a coherent plan at one point.
                        >
                        > --
                        > - Josh Tauberer
                        > - GovTrack.us
                        >
                        > http://razor.occams.info
                        >
                        > "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                        > falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                        > Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
                        >
                      • Ralph Yozzo
                        ... Doesn t this show that, if this is true, that any system that gives the power/voice/vote of many to a few or to one is not a good system. The one will be
                        Message 11 of 21 , Jun 24, 2008
                        • 0 Attachment
                          since there is no practical way to get the attention of any congresspeople, short of arriving with large checks in hand.
                           
                          Doesn't this show that, if this is true, that any system that gives the power/voice/vote of many to a few or to one is not a good system.  The one will be the target of corruption.  Imagine the opposite.  A system where all 6 billion people were involved.  I'd like to see the lobbyists bribe 6 billion.  For once, bribery would be a good thing.

                          On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Harvey Frey <hsfrey@...> wrote:

                          Josh:
                           
                              So what you're saying is that the technical issues raised by tay199 are irrelevant, since there is no practical way to get the attention of any congresspeople, short of arriving with large checks in hand.
                           
                              I don't know that that's necessarily so, since I've been asked, out of the blue, (just on the basis of my website) to help a congressman and later a senator draft legislation on the ERISA issue.
                           
                              Of course, neither of them paid any attention to what I wrote. <G>
                          But I think that's because they were both republicans and not sympathetic to my more patient-oriented initiatives.  
                           
                              So, I wouldn't be completely pessimistic, given that we may have a new congress more interested in new approaches.
                           
                          Harvey
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:02 PM
                          Subject: Re: [govtrack] Re: question about voting

                          hsfrey wrote:
                          > Why must this wait for something "revolutionary"?
                          >
                          > There are plenty of kludges out there that will let us get started, if
                          > we really want to do it.
                          >
                          > Why not a wiki, or a forum, or a listserve, or even the "track
                          > changes" option on WinWord.

                          Well, go for it, by all means. :)

                          But to add a sense of reality- Members of Congress have little interest
                          in what ordinary people say, beyond what can be reduced to a single
                          word. That's not entirely because they don't care, but largely because
                          they can't open their ears to everyone. And it takes a lot of voices to
                          be heard, considerably more than one can muster without a lot of
                          experience in doing that. And there needs to be considerably more people
                          involved than can coherently work together using a wiki, forum, or mail
                          list. We're talking thousands if not tens of thousands for national issues.

                          And that's just the technical challenge. The social challenges are much
                          more difficult.

                          A prototype using any technology might be informative, but I think only
                          a creative technological approach could really work.

                          > Mixedink seems to be WishWare.

                          I know they had a coherent plan at one point.

                          --
                          - Josh Tauberer
                          - GovTrack.us

                          http://razor.occams.info

                          "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                          falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                          Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)


                        • Josh Tauberer
                          ... I m happy to host a wiki for this if there are people willing to maintain it. -- - Josh Tauberer - GovTrack.us http://razor.occams.info Yields falsehood
                          Message 12 of 21 , Jun 25, 2008
                          • 0 Attachment
                            tay199 wrote:
                            > So what do you guys have in mind? Is as simple as "write-a-bill" with
                            > wiki backbone? If so, this is very doable.

                            I'm happy to host a wiki for this if there are people willing to
                            maintain it.

                            --
                            - Josh Tauberer
                            - GovTrack.us

                            http://razor.occams.info

                            "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                            falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                            Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
                          • Josh Tauberer
                            ... I m just saying that something simple isn t very likely to have any real effect. There has to be real innovation somewhere. ... I m glad to hear that that
                            Message 13 of 21 , Jun 25, 2008
                            • 0 Attachment
                              Harvey Frey wrote:
                              > So what you're saying is that the technical issues raised by tay199
                              > are irrelevant, since there is no practical way to get the attention of
                              > any congresspeople, short of arriving with large checks in hand.

                              I'm just saying that something simple isn't very likely to have any real
                              effect. There has to be real innovation somewhere.

                              > I don't know that that's necessarily so, since I've been asked, out
                              > of the blue, (just on the basis of my website) to help a congressman and
                              > later a senator draft legislation on the ERISA issue.
                              >
                              > Of course, neither of them paid any attention to what I wrote. <G>
                              > But I think that's because they were both republicans and not
                              > sympathetic to my more patient-oriented initiatives.

                              I'm glad to hear that that happened. Maybe the problem isn't quite as
                              big as I thought.

                              --
                              - Josh Tauberer
                              - GovTrack.us

                              http://razor.occams.info

                              "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                              falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                              Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)
                            • Harvey Frey
                              The engine used by wikipedia is available for free for non-profit use at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki. I had once thought of using it on my own
                              Message 14 of 21 , Jun 26, 2008
                              • 0 Attachment
                                The engine used by wikipedia is available for free for non-profit use at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki.
                                 
                                I had once thought of using it on my own website, but I think it's beyond my technical skills.
                                 
                                    A couple of others that looked attractive were Midgard Wiki and MoinMoin. An extensive comparison is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
                                 
                                I'd be happy to moderate (and I think it SHOULD be moderated, to avoid wikipedia-style edit wars) the discussion on ERISA and health care.
                                 
                                As for a legislator willing to consider hoppering a bill to fix ERISA, I notice that Jean Shaheen, running in New Hampshire, has expressly made that part of her platform.
                                 
                                Harvey
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:52 AM
                                Subject: Re: [govtrack] Re: question about voting

                                tay199 wrote:
                                > So what do you guys have in mind? Is as simple as "write-a-bill" with
                                > wiki backbone? If so, this is very doable.

                                I'm happy to host a wiki for this if there are people willing to
                                maintain it.

                                --
                                - Josh Tauberer
                                - GovTrack.us

                                http://razor. occams.info

                                "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                                falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                                Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)

                              • Ralph Yozzo
                                I would love to volunteer for technical tasks. Especially for web app programming, etc. As time permits. I ve installed a lot of wiki s, calendars, credit
                                Message 15 of 21 , Jun 26, 2008
                                • 0 Attachment
                                  I would love to volunteer for technical tasks.  Especially for web app programming, etc.  As time permits.

                                  I've installed a lot of wiki's, calendars, credit card/debit card processing for many clubs, etc.

                                  the credit card/debit card processing is also free for nonprofits.

                                  On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Harvey Frey <hsfrey@...> wrote:

                                  The engine used by wikipedia is available for free for non-profit use at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki.
                                   
                                  I had once thought of using it on my own website, but I think it's beyond my technical skills.
                                   
                                      A couple of others that looked attractive were Midgard Wiki and MoinMoin. An extensive comparison is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
                                   
                                  I'd be happy to moderate (and I think it SHOULD be moderated, to avoid wikipedia-style edit wars) the discussion on ERISA and health care.
                                   
                                  As for a legislator willing to consider hoppering a bill to fix ERISA, I notice that Jean Shaheen, running in New Hampshire, has expressly made that part of her platform.
                                   
                                  Harvey
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:52 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [govtrack] Re: question about voting

                                  tay199 wrote:
                                  > So what do you guys have in mind? Is as simple as "write-a-bill" with
                                  > wiki backbone? If so, this is very doable.

                                  I'm happy to host a wiki for this if there are people willing to
                                  maintain it.

                                  --
                                  - Josh Tauberer
                                  - GovTrack.us

                                  http://razor.occams.info

                                  "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation! Yields
                                  falsehood when preceded by its quotation!" Achilles to
                                  Tortoise (in "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter)


                                Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.