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  • Debbie Hart
    Michael! I remember those names very well - including Chip! Was there a Mike Mitchell - or am I confusing that with Mike West and Jim Gray? Didn t they have
    Message 1 of 29 , Jun 30, 2005
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      Michael!

      I remember those names very well - including Chip! Was there a Mike Mitchell - or am I confusing that with Mike West and Jim Gray? Didn't they have a younger - kinda tough - sister named Margaret (Meg)? I know Billy Rea is doing well out in California according to his father - I forgot what he was doing though...Did I know Paul and Billy? Gypsy was my neighbor in 866 - long story with that one...and how about Carol Engler, Bill Boykin, Gary and Stan Stephenson and Lyle Smith? I had the biggest crush on Lyle...until Rob Koisch entered my life! LOL! Then the big rivalry between me, Sharon Hidinger and Muffet Gracey began...that was so funny - not at the time, of course! Sharon and I have remained close friends ever since Rob left the Island!

      Deb
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: semiauto_guy
      To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:34 PM
      Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


      Hi Steve,

      David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller blading
      accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked to him about
      a year before he died.

      I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west somewhere. Helen
      is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with here after
      David died. I believe both the father and mother (Jesse) have
      passed on.

      Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very successful
      attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a while. Last
      time was after Brad Morton died.

      Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just got a
      picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was Paul and
      Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late last year.
      I talked to him last June.

      Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on Staten
      Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails but lost the
      address (short from keyboard to ground).

      Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg Mitchell
      (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose Rosa, Cathy
      Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie), Ben Joyce,
      Leroy Rathburn????

      Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a copy of
      this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing it here.

      Michael Simmons

      --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
      <byrdman@r...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > --- dhart@c... wrote:
      >
      > > Hey ya, Steve!
      > >
      > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding at the
      Customs House but worked for Adm.
      > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral to occupy
      Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
      > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
      >
      > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I remember
      Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
      > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him living in
      Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
      > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My Dad worked for
      Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
      > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill. His Mom was a
      kick in the pants.
      > >
      > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween Harding and
      Whalen that never moved to the
      > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His name escaped
      him, but he had a brother that
      > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea cause they
      were personal friends, and he
      > > would have remembered him. I know there are several brothers
      that were high ranking officers at
      > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
      >
      > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park next the
      second tee box. There were at
      > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year older was on my
      flag football team. I remember
      > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed away. They were
      all pretty quirky. I had never
      > heard kids call their mother by her first name before, but it WAS
      the late '60s!
      >
      > >
      > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
      > >
      > > -------------- Original message --------------
      > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling some cool
      memories,
      > > so here's some more.
      > >
      > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first started moving
      onto the
      > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's Island,
      WHitehall 2-4000.
      > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters. Ours was
      4267, funny how
      > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and forget what you
      had for
      > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came to work.
      Later, the
      > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the prefix was 344
      (ours was
      > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
      > >
      > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also assigned to the
      Customs House,
      > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry Terminal
      and Battery
      > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem to recall
      the first
      > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or maybe Adm.
      Whalen? When
      > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily assigned 612-D
      in the old
      > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became available.
      During our few
      > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen temporarily
      occupied 612-F,
      > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of Capt at the
      time....
      > >
      > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school and running
      through the
      > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did anyone do well in
      school there?
      > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was sent to
      Germany, since there
      > > were a large number of container ships being built in Germany
      and Holland that
      > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during construction. We got
      assigned
      > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though Dad was
      officially attatched
      > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I ended up
      going to a DoD
      > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change from 6,000 at
      Brooklyn Tech
      > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point to all this
      is around the
      > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually lucky, in that
      it will always
      > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still accessible.
      > >
      > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to take
      pictures prior to a big
      > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the Americans were
      gone, the housing
      > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to talk my way
      onto the base
      > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after all these
      years, and it was
      > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no cars,
      overgrown grass. Not
      > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not altogether a
      pleasant visit.
      > >
      > > There are many brats out there, domestic and overseas, who have
      even less to
      > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing developments in
      their places.
      > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So, I guess
      there is something
      > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be thankful for.
      > >
      > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this ramble and
      have a broadband
      > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is the brochure
      the Army produced
      > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked when I
      moved there. I have
      > > this site name registered, and it is on my web server, but I
      have yet to do muh with
      > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo galleries
      and a sign up database.
      > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for sending me
      this piece!
      > >
      > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
      > >
      > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
      > >
      > > Steve
      > >
      > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      > >
      > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was just sitting
      back
      > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in that one.
      Too messy
      > > > for me.
      > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island. We still
      have (yes us
      > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they gave us when
      we
      > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication of the
      school to
      > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the important phone
      numbers
      > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-825-XXXX.
      It always
      > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a photocopy of
      a gazette
      > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was leaving the
      Island. I
      > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a newpaper
      article that
      > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave copies of these
      to that
      > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about GI. I guess
      I could
      > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where would I send it?
      > > >
      > > > Kim Johnson Czernikowski
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • Debbie Hart
      Last I heard about Garry Harwood he was living in Staten Island but that was many years ago... ... From: Steve de Carteret To:
      Message 2 of 29 , Jun 30, 2005
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        Last I heard about Garry Harwood he was living in Staten Island but that was many years ago...
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Steve de Carteret
        To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:29 PM
        Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


        Hey Mike -

        I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come back from the first and
        second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The Henderson's were neighbors
        of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together. Saw them in NoCal about
        '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived across from us, funny you
        mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull out - I remember Debbie,
        Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag football team, along with
        Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the plays, often "Leroy go long and
        everyone else block". We won it all that year. I remember Eddie Otero. Also
        John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over in 555, near Jamie Lombard.
        I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about the time Sgt. Pepper came
        out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I don't remember if he stayed around
        much after his mom's suicide.

        Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can get one of my students to fire
        up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up and we can start collecting signups...

        Always too many things to do...

        Steve

        --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@...> wrote:

        > Hi Steve,
        >
        > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller blading
        > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked to him about
        > a year before he died.
        >
        > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west somewhere. Helen
        > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with here after
        > David died. I believe both the father and mother (Jesse) have
        > passed on.
        >
        > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very successful
        > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a while. Last
        > time was after Brad Morton died.
        >
        > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just got a
        > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was Paul and
        > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late last year.
        > I talked to him last June.
        >
        > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on Staten
        > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails but lost the
        > address (short from keyboard to ground).
        >
        > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg Mitchell
        > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose Rosa, Cathy
        > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie), Ben Joyce,
        > Leroy Rathburn????
        >
        > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a copy of
        > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing it here.
        >
        > Michael Simmons
        >
        > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
        > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
        > >
        > > > Hey ya, Steve!
        > > >
        > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding at the
        > Customs House but worked for Adm.
        > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral to occupy
        > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
        > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
        > >
        > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I remember
        > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
        > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him living in
        > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
        > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My Dad worked for
        > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
        > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill. His Mom was a
        > kick in the pants.
        > > >
        > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween Harding and
        > Whalen that never moved to the
        > > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His name escaped
        > him, but he had a brother that
        > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea cause they
        > were personal friends, and he
        > > > would have remembered him. I know there are several brothers
        > that were high ranking officers at
        > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
        > >
        > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park next the
        > second tee box. There were at
        > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year older was on my
        > flag football team. I remember
        > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed away. They were
        > all pretty quirky. I had never
        > > heard kids call their mother by her first name before, but it WAS
        > the late '60s!
        > >
        > > >
        > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
        > > >
        > > > -------------- Original message --------------
        > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling some cool
        > memories,
        > > > so here's some more.
        > > >
        > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first started moving
        > onto the
        > > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's Island,
        > WHitehall 2-4000.
        > > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters. Ours was
        > 4267, funny how
        > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and forget what you
        > had for
        > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came to work.
        > Later, the
        > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the prefix was 344
        > (ours was
        > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
        > > >
        > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also assigned to the
        > Customs House,
        > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry Terminal
        > and Battery
        > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem to recall
        > the first
        > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or maybe Adm.
        > Whalen? When
        > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily assigned 612-D
        > in the old
        > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became available.
        > During our few
        > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen temporarily
        > occupied 612-F,
        > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of Capt at the
        > time....
        > > >
        > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school and running
        > through the
        > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did anyone do well in
        > school there?
        > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was sent to
        > Germany, since there
        > > > were a large number of container ships being built in Germany
        > and Holland that
        > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during construction. We got
        > assigned
        > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though Dad was
        > officially attatched
        > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I ended up
        > going to a DoD
        > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change from 6,000 at
        > Brooklyn Tech
        > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point to all this
        > is around the
        > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually lucky, in that
        > it will always
        > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still accessible.
        > > >
        > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to take
        > pictures prior to a big
        > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the Americans were
        > gone, the housing
        > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to talk my way
        > onto the base
        > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after all these
        > years, and it was
        > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no cars,
        > overgrown grass. Not
        > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not altogether a
        > pleasant visit.
        > > >
        > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and overseas, who have
        > even less to
        > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing developments in
        > their places.
        > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So, I guess
        > there is something
        > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be thankful for.
        > > >
        > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this ramble and
        > have a broadband
        > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is the brochure
        > the Army produced
        > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked when I
        > moved there. I have
        > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web server, but I
        > have yet to do muh with
        > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo galleries
        > and a sign up database.
        > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for sending me
        > this piece!
        > > >
        > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
        > > >
        > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
        > > >
        > > > Steve
        > > >
        > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was just sitting
        > back
        > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in that one.
        > Too messy
        > > > > for me.
        > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island. We still
        > have (yes us
        > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they gave us when
        > we
        > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication of the
        > school to
        > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the important phone
        > numbers
        > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-825-XXXX.
        > It always
        > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a photocopy of
        > a gazette
        > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was leaving the
        > Island. I
        > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a newpaper
        > article that
        > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave copies of these
        > to that
        > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about GI. I guess
        > I could
        > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where would I send it?
        > > > >
        > > > > Kim Johnson Czernikowski
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
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      • Debbie Hart
        And he remembered the admiral inbetween - Adm. Alger - he was the one who had a brother stationed in DC and they talked daily! LOL! ... From:
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          And he remembered the admiral inbetween - Adm. Alger - he was the one who had a brother stationed in DC and they talked daily! LOL!
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: dhart@...
          To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com ; governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: Steve de Carteret
          Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:21 AM
          Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


          Hey ya, Steve!

          I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding at the Customs House but worked for Adm. Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer made admiral, but he could be mistaken.

          Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween Harding and Whalen that never moved to the Island either - and was only there for a year. His name escaped him, but he had a brother that was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea cause they were personal friends, and he would have remembered him. I know there are several brothers that were high ranking officers at the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).

          These memories are so much fun to relive!

          -------------- Original message --------------
          Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling some cool memories,
          so here's some more.

          In the summer of 65 when us CG families first started moving onto the
          island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's Island, WHitehall 2-4000.
          We all had four digit extensions in our quarters. Ours was 4267, funny how
          you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and forget what you had for
          dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came to work. Later, the
          CG implemented private lines, and at first the prefix was 344 (ours was
          344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).

          My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also assigned to the Customs House,
          then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry Terminal and Battery
          Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem to recall the first
          CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or maybe Adm. Whalen? When
          we first got on the island, we were temporarily assigned 612-D in the old
          Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became available. During our few
          months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen temporarily occupied 612-F,
          though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of Capt at the time....

          Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school and running through the
          city, and that seems common to all of us. Did anyone do well in school there?
          I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was sent to Germany, since there
          were a large number of container ships being built in Germany and Holland that
          needed ongoing inspection by the CG during construction. We got assigned
          housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though Dad was officially attatched
          to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I ended up going to a DoD
          High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change from 6,000 at Brooklyn Tech
          to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point to all this is around the
          talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually lucky, in that it will always
          be there, and while not necessarily the same, still accessible.

          I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to take pictures prior to a big
          reunion we were having. The base was closed, the Americans were gone, the housing
          given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to talk my way onto the base
          by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after all these years, and it was
          a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no cars, overgrown grass. Not
          a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not altogether a pleasant visit.

          There are many brats out there, domestic and overseas, who have even less to
          return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing developments in their places.
          Those people really have nothing to go back to. So, I guess there is something
          about the state of Governor's Island we can be thankful for.

          Now, for those of you who have stayed through this ramble and have a broadband
          connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is the brochure the Army produced
          in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked when I moved there. I have
          this site name registered, and it is on my web server, but I have yet to do muh with
          the site design, though I have some ideas for photo galleries and a sign up database.
          In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for sending me this piece!

          http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf

          You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.

          Steve

          --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was just sitting back
          > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in that one. Too messy
          > for me.
          > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island. We still have (yes us
          > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they gave us when we
          > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication of the school to
          > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the important phone numbers
          > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-825-XXXX. It always
          > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a photocopy of a gazette
          > or something like it that was done as the CG was leaving the Island. I
          > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a newpaper article that
          > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave copies of these to that
          > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about GI. I guess I could
          > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where would I send it?
          >
          > Kim Johnson Czernikowski
          >
          >
          >
          >




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          Hi Steve, You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either a dream or it s real - somehow I think its real. John and I went to PS 26. I
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            Hi Steve,

            You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either a
            dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went to
            PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
            assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire Station.

            1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs. Bernstein
            was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system coming
            on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long time.
            Too weird.

            John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I went
            with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for me.
            Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.

            The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one older
            and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
            worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
            them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
            with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the Ferry
            all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name. Wow
            another deep memory.


            You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went out
            with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
            House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop one
            night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from the
            balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was a
            door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way between
            the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
            overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both of
            them soaked. I can still smell the rain.

            Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a midget
            there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to see
            him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.

            Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at the O
            Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.

            I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the smell of
            the french fries there.

            Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
            remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....

            Regards,
            Michael

            --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
            <byrdman@r...> wrote:
            > Mike -
            >
            > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
            > one from the Young Rascals.
            >
            > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
            > one of my classes.
            >
            > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
            > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
            > first friend on the island.
            >
            > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
            >
            > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking lot.
            >
            > Steve
            >
            > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
            >
            > > Hi Steve,
            > >
            > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to Xavier in
            the
            > > city.
            > >
            > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
            thinking
            > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his mother
            but
            > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
            > >
            > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape May NJ
            > > but no luck there either.
            > >
            > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with Doug
            > > Welliver.
            > >
            > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I must
            have
            > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are very
            fuzzy.
            > >
            > > Regards,
            > > Michael
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
            > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
            > > > Mike,
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
            remember
            > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
            > > >
            > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
            team
            > > then,
            > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood were
            on
            > > the
            > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
            > > Comissary
            > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
            sponsorship.
            > > Cott
            > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
            remember it
            > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or maybe
            > > Colts,
            > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a pretty,
            but
            > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
            > > >
            > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a lot
            > > during those
            > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
            > > >
            > > > Steve
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
            > > > >
            > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
            Hokoana.
            > > > >
            > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
            > > interesting
            > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
            > > > >
            > > > > Thanks for the new names!
            > > > >
            > > > > Regards,
            > > > > Michael Simmons
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
            Carteret
            > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
            > > > > > Hey Mike -
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come back
            from
            > > the
            > > > > first and
            > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
            > > Henderson's
            > > > > were neighbors
            > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together. Saw
            them
            > > in
            > > > > NoCal about
            > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
            across
            > > from
            > > > > us, funny you
            > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
            out - I
            > > > > remember Debbie,
            > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
            football
            > > team,
            > > > > along with
            > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the plays,
            > > > > often "Leroy go long and
            > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
            remember
            > > Eddie
            > > > > Otero. Also
            > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over in
            555,
            > > near
            > > > > Jamie Lombard.
            > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about the
            time
            > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
            > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I don't
            > > remember
            > > > > if he stayed around
            > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can get
            one
            > > of
            > > > > my students to fire
            > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up and
            we
            > > can
            > > > > start collecting signups...
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Always too many things to do...
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Steve
            > > > > >
            > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > Hi Steve,
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
            blading
            > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked
            to
            > > him
            > > > > about
            > > > > > > a year before he died.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
            > > somewhere.
            > > > > Helen
            > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with
            > > here
            > > > > after
            > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
            (Jesse)
            > > have
            > > > > > > passed on.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
            > > successful
            > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
            while.
            > > Last
            > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just
            got
            > > a
            > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was
            > > Paul
            > > > > and
            > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late
            last
            > > > > year.
            > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on
            > > Staten
            > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails
            but
            > > lost
            > > > > the
            > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg
            > > > > Mitchell
            > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose
            Rosa,
            > > > > Cathy
            > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie),
            Ben
            > > > > Joyce,
            > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a
            > > copy of
            > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing
            it
            > > here.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Michael Simmons
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
            > > Carteret
            > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding
            at
            > > the
            > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
            > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral
            to
            > > occupy
            > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
            > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I
            > > remember
            > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
            > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him
            > > living
            > > > > in
            > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
            > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My
            Dad
            > > worked
            > > > > for
            > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
            > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill.
            His
            > > Mom
            > > > > was a
            > > > > > > kick in the pants.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
            Harding
            > > and
            > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
            > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His
            name
            > > > > escaped
            > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
            > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea
            > > cause
            > > > > they
            > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
            > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are several
            > > > > brothers
            > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
            > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park
            > > next
            > > > > the
            > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
            > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
            older
            > > was on
            > > > > my
            > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
            > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
            away.
            > > They
            > > > > were
            > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
            > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name before,
            but
            > > it
            > > > > WAS
            > > > > > > the late '60s!
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
            > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling
            some
            > > > > cool
            > > > > > > memories,
            > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
            started
            > > moving
            > > > > > > onto the
            > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's
            > > Island,
            > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
            > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters.
            Ours
            > > was
            > > > > > > 4267, funny how
            > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
            forget
            > > what
            > > > > you
            > > > > > > had for
            > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came
            to
            > > > > work.
            > > > > > > Later, the
            > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
            prefix
            > > was
            > > > > 344
            > > > > > > (ours was
            > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
            assigned to
            > > the
            > > > > > > Customs House,
            > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry
            > > > > Terminal
            > > > > > > and Battery
            > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem
            to
            > > > > recall
            > > > > > > the first
            > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or
            maybe
            > > > > Adm.
            > > > > > > Whalen? When
            > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
            assigned
            > > 612-
            > > > > D
            > > > > > > in the old
            > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
            > > available.
            > > > > > > During our few
            > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
            > > temporarily
            > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
            > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of
            Capt
            > > at
            > > > > the
            > > > > > > time....
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school
            and
            > > > > running
            > > > > > > through the
            > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
            anyone do
            > > > > well in
            > > > > > > school there?
            > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was
            sent
            > > to
            > > > > > > Germany, since there
            > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being built
            in
            > > > > Germany
            > > > > > > and Holland that
            > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
            > > construction. We
            > > > > got
            > > > > > > assigned
            > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though
            Dad
            > > was
            > > > > > > officially attatched
            > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I
            > > ended up
            > > > > > > going to a DoD
            > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
            from
            > > 6,000
            > > > > at
            > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
            > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point
            to
            > > all
            > > > > this
            > > > > > > is around the
            > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually
            lucky,
            > > in
            > > > > that
            > > > > > > it will always
            > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still
            > > > > accessible.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to
            take
            > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
            > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the
            > > Americans
            > > > > were
            > > > > > > gone, the housing
            > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to
            > > talk my
            > > > > way
            > > > > > > onto the base
            > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after
            all
            > > these
            > > > > > > years, and it was
            > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no
            cars,
            > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
            > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not
            > > > > altogether a
            > > > > > > pleasant visit.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
            overseas,
            > > who
            > > > > have
            > > > > > > even less to
            > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
            > > developments
            > > > > in
            > > > > > > their places.
            > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So,
            I
            > > guess
            > > > > > > there is something
            > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
            thankful
            > > for.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this
            > > ramble
            > > > > and
            > > > > > > have a broadband
            > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is
            the
            > > > > brochure
            > > > > > > the Army produced
            > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked
            > > when I
            > > > > > > moved there. I have
            > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
            server,
            > > but I
            > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
            > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo
            > > > > galleries
            > > > > > > and a sign up database.
            > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for
            > > sending
            > > > > me
            > > > > > > this piece!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Steve
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was
            just
            > > > > sitting
            > > > > > > back
            > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in
            that
            > > > > one.
            > > > > > > Too messy
            > > > > > > > > > for me.
            > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island.
            We
            > > still
            > > > > > > have (yes us
            > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they
            gave
            > > us
            > > > > when
            > > > > > > we
            > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication
            of
            > > the
            > > > > > > school to
            > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
            > > important
            > > > > phone
            > > > > > > numbers
            > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-
            825-
            > > > > XXXX.
            > > > > > > It always
            > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a
            > > photocopy
            > > > > of
            > > > > > > a gazette
            > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was
            > > leaving
            > > > > the
            > > > > > > Island. I
            > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
            > > newpaper
            > > > > > > article that
            > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
            copies
            > > of
            > > > > these
            > > > > > > to that
            > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about
            GI.
            > > I
            > > > > guess
            > > > > > > I could
            > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where
            would I
            > > > > send it?
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > Kim Johnson Czernikowski
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
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          • Steve de Carteret
            Mike You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through John. I do know that I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived right behind
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              Mike
              You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through John. I do know that
              I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived right behind
              that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I lived in the longer
              building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me all the "New York"
              stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot the Beatles' "A Hard
              Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have it. I remember
              taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It was a tradition I
              don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too, though more so with John.
              He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another guy Steve who lived
              right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or Corbett, or something.

              My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the staockade and Bldg 400,
              and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One morning as I delivered the
              paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one of my classmate's
              fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs actually. Very uncomfortable
              moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his daughter Susan was in my class
              and I think she had an older brother.

              --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@...> wrote:

              > Hi Steve,
              >
              > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either a
              > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went to
              > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
              > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire Station.
              >
              > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs. Bernstein
              > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system coming
              > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long time.
              > Too weird.
              >

              Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I got stuck with
              Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white shirt fridays"
              when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up and march in
              to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something played the piano.


              > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I went
              > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for me.
              > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.
              >
              > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one older
              > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
              > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
              > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
              > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the Ferry
              > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name. Wow
              > another deep memory.

              Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP she went with
              was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would be teased
              by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding Bell Blues.

              >
              >
              > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went out
              > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
              > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop one
              > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from the
              > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was a
              > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way between
              > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
              > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both of
              > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.

              His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells, every once in
              a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and it always stops
              me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet leaf reminiscences
              are few and far between....

              >
              > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a midget
              > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to see
              > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.

              Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy, Herman. Herman
              would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land in my back yard.
              He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his ball. Then I'd
              go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's. Made myself a
              little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find in the back yard,
              then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown Royal bag (Dad's, not
              mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside the entrance to the fort.
              Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I always had money.
              >
              > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at the O
              > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.

              Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I think. Had the bzz harcut
              on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len Barry coming? ("1,2,3").
              They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.

              > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the smell of
              > the french fries there.

              Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone now according to
              some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the Cafeteria and
              Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were dropped for me inside the
              back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans. The old German
              guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the manager, took good
              care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and fresh made donuts,
              on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those old guys.

              The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane, when "Somebody to Love" came
              on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his brother would sneak
              me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane and Buddy Guy. I
              was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead I got the loudest
              booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.

              As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till you can pay your
              own way back".

              Steve

              >
              > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
              > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
              >
              > Regards,
              > Michael
              >
              > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
              > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
              > > Mike -
              > >
              > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
              > > one from the Young Rascals.
              > >
              > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
              > > one of my classes.
              > >
              > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
              > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
              > > first friend on the island.
              > >
              > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
              > >
              > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking lot.
              > >
              > > Steve
              > >
              > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
              > >
              > > > Hi Steve,
              > > >
              > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to Xavier in
              > the
              > > > city.
              > > >
              > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
              > thinking
              > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his mother
              > but
              > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
              > > >
              > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape May NJ
              > > > but no luck there either.
              > > >
              > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with Doug
              > > > Welliver.
              > > >
              > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I must
              > have
              > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are very
              > fuzzy.
              > > >
              > > > Regards,
              > > > Michael
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
              > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
              > > > > Mike,
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
              > remember
              > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
              > > > >
              > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
              > team
              > > > then,
              > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood were
              > on
              > > > the
              > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
              > > > Comissary
              > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
              > sponsorship.
              > > > Cott
              > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
              > remember it
              > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or maybe
              > > > Colts,
              > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a pretty,
              > but
              > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
              > > > >
              > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a lot
              > > > during those
              > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
              > > > >
              > > > > Steve
              > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
              > Hokoana.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
              > > > interesting
              > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Regards,
              > > > > > Michael Simmons
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
              > Carteret
              > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
              > > > > > > Hey Mike -
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come back
              > from
              > > > the
              > > > > > first and
              > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
              > > > Henderson's
              > > > > > were neighbors
              > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together. Saw
              > them
              > > > in
              > > > > > NoCal about
              > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
              > across
              > > > from
              > > > > > us, funny you
              > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
              > out - I
              > > > > > remember Debbie,
              > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
              > football
              > > > team,
              > > > > > along with
              > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the plays,
              > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
              > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
              > remember
              > > > Eddie
              > > > > > Otero. Also
              > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over in
              > 555,
              > > > near
              > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
              > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about the
              > time
              > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
              > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I don't
              > > > remember
              > > > > > if he stayed around
              > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can get
              > one
              > > > of
              > > > > > my students to fire
              > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up and
              > we
              > > > can
              > > > > > start collecting signups...
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Steve
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
              > blading
              > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked
              > to
              > > > him
              > > > > > about
              > > > > > > > a year before he died.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
              > > > somewhere.
              > > > > > Helen
              > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with
              > > > here
              > > > > > after
              > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
              > (Jesse)
              > > > have
              > > > > > > > passed on.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
              > > > successful
              > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
              > while.
              > > > Last
              > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just
              > got
              > > > a
              > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was
              > > > Paul
              > > > > > and
              > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late
              > last
              > > > > > year.
              > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on
              > > > Staten
              > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails
              > but
              > > > lost
              > > > > > the
              > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg
              > > > > > Mitchell
              > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose
              > Rosa,
              > > > > > Cathy
              > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie),
              > Ben
              > > > > > Joyce,
              > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a
              > > > copy of
              > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing
              > it
              > > > here.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
              > > > Carteret
              > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding
              > at
              > > > the
              > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
              > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral
              > to
              > > > occupy
              > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
              > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I
              > > > remember
              > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
              > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him
              > > > living
              > > > > > in
              > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
              > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My
              > Dad
              > > > worked
              > > > > > for
              > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
              > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill.
              > His
              > > > Mom
              > > > > > was a
              > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
              > Harding
              > > > and
              > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
              > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His
              > name
              > > > > > escaped
              > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
              > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea
              > > > cause
              > > > > > they
              > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
              > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are several
              > > > > > brothers
              > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
              > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park
              > > > next
              > > > > > the
              > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
              > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
              > older
              > > > was on
              > > > > > my
              > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
              > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
              > away.
              > > > They
              > > > > > were
              > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
              > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name before,
              > but
              > > > it
              > > > > > WAS
              > > > > > > > the late '60s!
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
              > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling
              > some
              > > > > > cool
              > > > > > > > memories,
              > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
              > started
              > > > moving
              > > > > > > > onto the
              > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's
              > > > Island,
              > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
              > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters.
              > Ours
              > > > was
              > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
              > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
              > forget
              > > > what
              > > > > > you
              > > > > > > > had for
              > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came
              > to
              > > > > > work.
              > > > > > > > Later, the
              > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
              > prefix
              > > > was
              > > > > > 344
              > > > > > > > (ours was
              > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
              > assigned to
              > > > the
              > > > > > > > Customs House,
              > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry
              > > > > > Terminal
              > > > > > > > and Battery
              > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem
              > to
              > > > > > recall
              > > > > > > > the first
              > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or
              > maybe
              > > > > > Adm.
              > > > > > > > Whalen? When
              > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
              > assigned
              > > > 612-
              > > > > > D
              > > > > > > > in the old
              > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
              > > > available.
              > > > > > > > During our few
              > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
              > > > temporarily
              > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
              > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of
              > Capt
              > > > at
              > > > > > the
              > > > > > > > time....
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school
              > and
              > > > > > running
              > > > > > > > through the
              > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
              > anyone do
              > > > > > well in
              > > > > > > > school there?
              > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was
              > sent
              > > > to
              > > > > > > > Germany, since there
              > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being built
              > in
              > > > > > Germany
              > > > > > > > and Holland that
              > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
              > > > construction. We
              > > > > > got
              > > > > > > > assigned
              > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though
              > Dad
              > > > was
              > > > > > > > officially attatched
              > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I
              > > > ended up
              > > > > > > > going to a DoD
              > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
              > from
              > > > 6,000
              > > > > > at
              > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
              > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point
              > to
              > > > all
              > > > > > this
              > > > > > > > is around the
              > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually
              > lucky,
              > > > in
              > > > > > that
              > > > > > > > it will always
              > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still
              > > > > > accessible.
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to
              > take
              > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
              > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the
              > > > Americans
              > > > > > were
              > > > > > > > gone, the housing
              > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to
              > > > talk my
              > > > > > way
              > > > > > > > onto the base
              > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after
              > all
              > > > these
              > > > > > > > years, and it was
              > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no
              > cars,
              > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
              > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not
              > > > > > altogether a
              > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
              > overseas,
              > > > who
              > > > > > have
              > > > > > > > even less to
              > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
              > > > developments
              > > > > > in
              > > > > > > > their places.
              > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So,
              > I
              > > > guess
              > > > > > > > there is something
              > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
              > thankful
              > > > for.
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this
              > > > ramble
              > > > > > and
              > > > > > > > have a broadband
              > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is
              > the
              > > > > > brochure
              > > > > > > > the Army produced
              > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked
              > > > when I
              > > > > > > > moved there. I have
              > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
              > server,
              > > > but I
              > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
              > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo
              > > > > > galleries
              > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
              > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for
              > > > sending
              > > > > > me
              > > > > > > > this piece!
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > Steve
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was
              > just
              > > > > > sitting
              > > > > > > > back
              > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in
              > that
              > > > > > one.
              > > > > > > > Too messy
              > > > > > > > > > > for me.
              > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island.
              > We
              > > > still
              > > > > > > > have (yes us
              > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they
              > gave
              > > > us
              > > > > > when
              > > > > > > > we
              > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication
              > of
              > > > the
              > > > > > > > school to
              > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
              > > > important
              > > > > > phone
              > > > > > > > numbers
              > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-
              > 825-
              > > > > > XXXX.
              > > > > > > > It always
              > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a
              > > > photocopy
              > > > > > of
              > > > > > > > a gazette
              > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was
              > > > leaving
              > > > > > the
              > > > > > > > Island. I
              > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
              > > > newpaper
              > > > > > > > article that
              > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
              > copies
              > > > of
              > > > > > these
              > > > > > > > to that
              > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about
              > GI.
              > > > I
              > > > > > guess
              > > > > > > > I could
              > > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where
              > would I
              > > > > > send it?
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            • semiauto_guy
              Steve, Strange that you should mention the last ferry ride. I never wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable, there was always this
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                Steve,

                Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry ride. I never
                wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable,
                there was always this thought that things would always remain the
                same (how unrealistic).

                GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it was for a lot of
                people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then moved into the
                city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969. I stayed with
                anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's (Mrs. Welliver gave
                me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I played tennis with
                the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife - don't ask -
                too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one night (I think he
                felt sorry for me).

                Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got busted by
                Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting, Brad Morton and
                myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I fiddle around
                after high school for a couple of years. I join the Air Force in
                late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner before I answer
                the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time and don't worry
                about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure what you're
                talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive on the phone. I
                stopped and saw him after I got out of basic training. He looked
                the same just more mellow.

                Where is Lisa Hobdy???

                Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would have with the CG
                guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing baseball against
                some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by Ligget Hall (the
                one across the street, not the small field behind the building and
                moved out to the field there towards the end of the island (past the
                old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).

                Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about all this stuff.
                Ignacio was the catylyst.

                Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...

                Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who worked over in the
                bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB back in 1975 (that
                is 30 years ago - YIKES). I was working at the movie theatre (ran
                the projector) and who walks in the door one night but Gina
                Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the O club there and
                who comes through the line one night but Capt and Mrs Jennings (Pat,
                Karen and ..... brain fade).

                Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still running :-)

                Michael

                --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                > Mike
                > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through John. I
                do know that
                > I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived
                right behind
                > that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I lived
                in the longer
                > building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me all
                the "New York"
                > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot the
                Beatles' "A Hard
                > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have
                it. I remember
                > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It was a
                tradition I
                > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too,
                though more so with John.
                > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another guy
                Steve who lived
                > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or Corbett, or
                something.
                >
                > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the staockade
                and Bldg 400,
                > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One morning as
                I delivered the
                > paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one of
                my classmate's
                > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs
                actually. Very uncomfortable
                > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his daughter
                Susan was in my class
                > and I think she had an older brother.
                >
                > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                >
                > > Hi Steve,
                > >
                > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either
                a
                > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went
                to
                > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire
                Station.
                > >
                > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs.
                Bernstein
                > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system
                coming
                > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long
                time.
                > > Too weird.
                > >
                >
                > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I got
                stuck with
                > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white
                shirt fridays"
                > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up and
                march in
                > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something
                played the piano.
                >
                >
                > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I
                went
                > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for
                me.
                > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.
                > >
                > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one
                older
                > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
                > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
                > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
                > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the
                Ferry
                > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name.
                Wow
                > > another deep memory.
                >
                > Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP she
                went with
                > was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would be
                teased
                > by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding Bell
                Blues.
                >
                > >
                > >
                > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went
                out
                > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
                > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop
                one
                > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from
                the
                > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was
                a
                > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way
                between
                > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
                > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both
                of
                > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                >
                > His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells, every
                once in
                > a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and it
                always stops
                > me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet
                leaf reminiscences
                > are few and far between....
                >
                > >
                > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a
                midget
                > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to
                see
                > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.
                >
                > Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy,
                Herman. Herman
                > would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land in
                my back yard.
                > He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his ball.
                Then I'd
                > go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's. Made
                myself a
                > little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find in
                the back yard,
                > then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown Royal
                bag (Dad's, not
                > mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside the
                entrance to the fort.
                > Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I
                always had money.
                > >
                > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at
                the O
                > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                >
                > Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I think.
                Had the bzz harcut
                > on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len Barry
                coming? ("1,2,3").
                > They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.
                >
                > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the
                smell of
                > > the french fries there.
                >
                > Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone now
                according to
                > some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the
                Cafeteria and
                > Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were
                dropped for me inside the
                > back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans. The
                old German
                > guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the
                manager, took good
                > care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and fresh
                made donuts,
                > on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those old
                guys.
                >
                > The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane,
                when "Somebody to Love" came
                > on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his
                brother would sneak
                > me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane and
                Buddy Guy. I
                > was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead I
                got the loudest
                > booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.
                >
                > As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till you
                can pay your
                > own way back".
                >
                > Steve
                >
                > >
                > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
                > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                > >
                > > Regards,
                > > Michael
                > >
                > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                > > > Mike -
                > > >
                > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
                > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                > > >
                > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
                > > > one of my classes.
                > > >
                > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
                > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
                > > > first friend on the island.
                > > >
                > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                > > >
                > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking
                lot.
                > > >
                > > > Steve
                > > >
                > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > > Hi Steve,
                > > > >
                > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to
                Xavier in
                > > the
                > > > > city.
                > > > >
                > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
                > > thinking
                > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his
                mother
                > > but
                > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                > > > >
                > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape
                May NJ
                > > > > but no luck there either.
                > > > >
                > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with
                Doug
                > > > > Welliver.
                > > > >
                > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I
                must
                > > have
                > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are
                very
                > > fuzzy.
                > > > >
                > > > > Regards,
                > > > > Michael
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                Carteret
                > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                > > > > > Mike,
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
                > > remember
                > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
                > > team
                > > > > then,
                > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood
                were
                > > on
                > > > > the
                > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
                > > > > Comissary
                > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                > > sponsorship.
                > > > > Cott
                > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                > > remember it
                > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or
                maybe
                > > > > Colts,
                > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a
                pretty,
                > > but
                > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a
                lot
                > > > > during those
                > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Steve
                > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
                > > Hokoana.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
                > > > > interesting
                > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Regards,
                > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                > > Carteret
                > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                > > > > > > > Hey Mike -
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come
                back
                > > from
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > first and
                > > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                > > > > Henderson's
                > > > > > > were neighbors
                > > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together.
                Saw
                > > them
                > > > > in
                > > > > > > NoCal about
                > > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
                > > across
                > > > > from
                > > > > > > us, funny you
                > > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
                > > out - I
                > > > > > > remember Debbie,
                > > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
                > > football
                > > > > team,
                > > > > > > along with
                > > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the
                plays,
                > > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                > > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                > > remember
                > > > > Eddie
                > > > > > > Otero. Also
                > > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over
                in
                > > 555,
                > > > > near
                > > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                > > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about
                the
                > > time
                > > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                > > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I
                don't
                > > > > remember
                > > > > > > if he stayed around
                > > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can
                get
                > > one
                > > > > of
                > > > > > > my students to fire
                > > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up
                and
                > > we
                > > > > can
                > > > > > > start collecting signups...
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Steve
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
                > > blading
                > > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I
                talked
                > > to
                > > > > him
                > > > > > > about
                > > > > > > > > a year before he died.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
                > > > > somewhere.
                > > > > > > Helen
                > > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails
                with
                > > > > here
                > > > > > > after
                > > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
                > > (Jesse)
                > > > > have
                > > > > > > > > passed on.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
                > > > > successful
                > > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
                > > while.
                > > > > Last
                > > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I
                just
                > > got
                > > > > a
                > > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which
                was
                > > > > Paul
                > > > > > > and
                > > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away
                late
                > > last
                > > > > > > year.
                > > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over
                on
                > > > > Staten
                > > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few
                emails
                > > but
                > > > > lost
                > > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero,
                Meg
                > > > > > > Mitchell
                > > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair,
                Jose
                > > Rosa,
                > > > > > > Cathy
                > > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister
                Leslie),
                > > Ben
                > > > > > > Joyce,
                > > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually
                have a
                > > > > copy of
                > > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for
                sharing
                > > it
                > > > > here.
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                de
                > > > > Carteret
                > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm.
                Harding
                > > at
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                > > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first
                admiral
                > > to
                > > > > occupy
                > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                > > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but
                I
                > > > > remember
                > > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                > > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall
                him
                > > > > living
                > > > > > > in
                > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                > > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though.
                My
                > > Dad
                > > > > worked
                > > > > > > for
                > > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                > > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with
                Bill.
                > > His
                > > > > Mom
                > > > > > > was a
                > > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
                > > Harding
                > > > > and
                > > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                > > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year.
                His
                > > name
                > > > > > > escaped
                > > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                > > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't
                Rea
                > > > > cause
                > > > > > > they
                > > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                > > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are
                several
                > > > > > > brothers
                > > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                > > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan
                Park
                > > > > next
                > > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                > > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
                > > older
                > > > > was on
                > > > > > > my
                > > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                > > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
                > > away.
                > > > > They
                > > > > > > were
                > > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                > > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name
                before,
                > > but
                > > > > it
                > > > > > > WAS
                > > > > > > > > the late '60s!
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-
                kindling
                > > some
                > > > > > > cool
                > > > > > > > > memories,
                > > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
                > > started
                > > > > moving
                > > > > > > > > onto the
                > > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for
                Governor's
                > > > > Island,
                > > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                > > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our
                quarters.
                > > Ours
                > > > > was
                > > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                > > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
                > > forget
                > > > > what
                > > > > > > you
                > > > > > > > > had for
                > > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you
                came
                > > to
                > > > > > > work.
                > > > > > > > > Later, the
                > > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
                > > prefix
                > > > > was
                > > > > > > 344
                > > > > > > > > (ours was
                > > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                > > assigned to
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > Customs House,
                > > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI
                Ferry
                > > > > > > Terminal
                > > > > > > > > and Battery
                > > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I
                seem
                > > to
                > > > > > > recall
                > > > > > > > > the first
                > > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer,
                or
                > > maybe
                > > > > > > Adm.
                > > > > > > > > Whalen? When
                > > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
                > > assigned
                > > > > 612-
                > > > > > > D
                > > > > > > > > in the old
                > > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                > > > > available.
                > > > > > > > > During our few
                > > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                > > > > temporarily
                > > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                > > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank
                of
                > > Capt
                > > > > at
                > > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > time....
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting
                school
                > > and
                > > > > > > running
                > > > > > > > > through the
                > > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
                > > anyone do
                > > > > > > well in
                > > > > > > > > school there?
                > > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family
                was
                > > sent
                > > > > to
                > > > > > > > > Germany, since there
                > > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being
                built
                > > in
                > > > > > > Germany
                > > > > > > > > and Holland that
                > > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                > > > > construction. We
                > > > > > > got
                > > > > > > > > assigned
                > > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even
                though
                > > Dad
                > > > > was
                > > > > > > > > officially attatched
                > > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in
                Bremen. I
                > > > > ended up
                > > > > > > > > going to a DoD
                > > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
                > > from
                > > > > 6,000
                > > > > > > at
                > > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                > > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My
                point
                > > to
                > > > > all
                > > > > > > this
                > > > > > > > > is around the
                > > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are
                actually
                > > lucky,
                > > > > in
                > > > > > > that
                > > > > > > > > it will always
                > > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same,
                still
                > > > > > > accessible.
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago
                to
                > > take
                > > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                > > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed,
                the
                > > > > Americans
                > > > > > > were
                > > > > > > > > gone, the housing
                > > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I
                managed to
                > > > > talk my
                > > > > > > way
                > > > > > > > > onto the base
                > > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent
                after
                > > all
                > > > > these
                > > > > > > > > years, and it was
                > > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings,
                no
                > > cars,
                > > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                > > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled.
                Not
                > > > > > > altogether a
                > > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                > > overseas,
                > > > > who
                > > > > > > have
                > > > > > > > > even less to
                > > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                > > > > developments
                > > > > > > in
                > > > > > > > > their places.
                > > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to.
                So,
                > > I
                > > > > guess
                > > > > > > > > there is something
                > > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
                > > thankful
                > > > > for.
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through
                this
                > > > > ramble
                > > > > > > and
                > > > > > > > > have a broadband
                > > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This
                is
                > > the
                > > > > > > brochure
                > > > > > > > > the Army produced
                > > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island
                looked
                > > > > when I
                > > > > > > > > moved there. I have
                > > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
                > > server,
                > > > > but I
                > > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                > > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for
                photo
                > > > > > > galleries
                > > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                > > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman
                for
                > > > > sending
                > > > > > > me
                > > > > > > > > this piece!
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Steve
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                wrote:
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I
                was
                > > just
                > > > > > > sitting
                > > > > > > > > back
                > > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved
                in
                > > that
                > > > > > > one.
                > > > > > > > > Too messy
                > > > > > > > > > > > for me.
                > > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the
                Island.
                > > We
                > > > > still
                > > > > > > > > have (yes us
                > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book
                they
                > > gave
                > > > > us
                > > > > > > when
                > > > > > > > > we
                > > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the
                dedication
                > > of
                > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > school to
                > > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
                > > > > important
                > > > > > > phone
                > > > > > > > > numbers
                > > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all
                212-
                > > 825-
                > > > > > > XXXX.
                > > > > > > > > It always
                > > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have
                a
                > > > > photocopy
                > > > > > > of
                > > > > > > > > a gazette
                > > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG
                was
                > > > > leaving
                > > > > > > the
                > > > > > > > > Island. I
                > > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
                > > > > newpaper
                > > > > > > > > article that
                > > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
                > > copies
                > > > > of
                > > > > > > these
                > > > > > > > > to that
                > > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book
                about
                > > GI.
                > > > > I
                > > > > > > guess
                > > > > > > > > I could
                > > > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where
                > > would I
                > > > > > > send it?
                > > > > > > > > > > >
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              • semiauto_guy
                Hi Debbie, Well, since you got the latest data are you going to try and make contact???? :-) Michael ... but that was many years ago... ... the first and ...
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                  Hi Debbie,

                  Well, since you got the latest data are you going to try and make
                  contact???? :-)

                  Michael

                  --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Hart"
                  <dhart@c...> wrote:
                  > Last I heard about Garry Harwood he was living in Staten Island
                  but that was many years ago...
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Steve de Carteret
                  > To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:29 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello
                  >
                  >
                  > Hey Mike -
                  >
                  > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come back from
                  the first and
                  > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                  Henderson's were neighbors
                  > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together. Saw them in
                  NoCal about
                  > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived across
                  from us, funny you
                  > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull out - I
                  remember Debbie,
                  > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag football
                  team, along with
                  > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the plays,
                  often "Leroy go long and
                  > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I remember
                  Eddie Otero. Also
                  > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over in 555,
                  near Jamie Lombard.
                  > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about the time
                  Sgt. Pepper came
                  > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I don't
                  remember if he stayed around
                  > much after his mom's suicide.
                  >
                  > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can get one of
                  my students to fire
                  > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up and we can
                  start collecting signups...
                  >
                  > Always too many things to do...
                  >
                  > Steve
                  >
                  > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > Hi Steve,
                  > >
                  > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller blading
                  > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked to him
                  about
                  > > a year before he died.
                  > >
                  > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west somewhere.
                  Helen
                  > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with here
                  after
                  > > David died. I believe both the father and mother (Jesse) have
                  > > passed on.
                  > >
                  > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very successful
                  > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a while.
                  Last
                  > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                  > >
                  > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just got a
                  > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was Paul
                  and
                  > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late last
                  year.
                  > > I talked to him last June.
                  > >
                  > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on Staten
                  > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails but lost
                  the
                  > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                  > >
                  > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg
                  Mitchell
                  > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose Rosa,
                  Cathy
                  > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie), Ben
                  Joyce,
                  > > Leroy Rathburn????
                  > >
                  > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a copy
                  of
                  > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing it
                  here.
                  > >
                  > > Michael Simmons
                  > >
                  > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                  Carteret
                  > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding at
                  the
                  > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                  > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral to
                  occupy
                  > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                  > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                  > > >
                  > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I remember
                  > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                  > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him
                  living in
                  > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                  > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My Dad
                  worked for
                  > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                  > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill. His Mom
                  was a
                  > > kick in the pants.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween Harding
                  and
                  > > Whalen that never moved to the
                  > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His name
                  escaped
                  > > him, but he had a brother that
                  > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea cause
                  they
                  > > were personal friends, and he
                  > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are several
                  brothers
                  > > that were high ranking officers at
                  > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                  > > >
                  > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park next
                  the
                  > > second tee box. There were at
                  > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year older was
                  on my
                  > > flag football team. I remember
                  > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed away. They
                  were
                  > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                  > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name before, but
                  it WAS
                  > > the late '60s!
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                  > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling some
                  cool
                  > > memories,
                  > > > > so here's some more.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first started
                  moving
                  > > onto the
                  > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's Island,
                  > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                  > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters. Ours
                  was
                  > > 4267, funny how
                  > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and forget
                  what you
                  > > had for
                  > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came to
                  work.
                  > > Later, the
                  > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the prefix was
                  344
                  > > (ours was
                  > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                  > > > >
                  > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also assigned to
                  the
                  > > Customs House,
                  > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry
                  Terminal
                  > > and Battery
                  > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem to
                  recall
                  > > the first
                  > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or maybe
                  Adm.
                  > > Whalen? When
                  > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily assigned
                  612-D
                  > > in the old
                  > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                  available.
                  > > During our few
                  > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                  temporarily
                  > > occupied 612-F,
                  > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of Capt
                  at the
                  > > time....
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school and
                  running
                  > > through the
                  > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did anyone do
                  well in
                  > > school there?
                  > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was sent to
                  > > Germany, since there
                  > > > > were a large number of container ships being built in
                  Germany
                  > > and Holland that
                  > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during construction.
                  We got
                  > > assigned
                  > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though Dad
                  was
                  > > officially attatched
                  > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I ended
                  up
                  > > going to a DoD
                  > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change from
                  6,000 at
                  > > Brooklyn Tech
                  > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point to
                  all this
                  > > is around the
                  > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually lucky,
                  in that
                  > > it will always
                  > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still
                  accessible.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to take
                  > > pictures prior to a big
                  > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the
                  Americans were
                  > > gone, the housing
                  > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to talk
                  my way
                  > > onto the base
                  > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after all
                  these
                  > > years, and it was
                  > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no cars,
                  > > overgrown grass. Not
                  > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not
                  altogether a
                  > > pleasant visit.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and overseas, who
                  have
                  > > even less to
                  > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                  developments in
                  > > their places.
                  > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So, I
                  guess
                  > > there is something
                  > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be thankful
                  for.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this ramble
                  and
                  > > have a broadband
                  > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is the
                  brochure
                  > > the Army produced
                  > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked when
                  I
                  > > moved there. I have
                  > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web server, but
                  I
                  > > have yet to do muh with
                  > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo
                  galleries
                  > > and a sign up database.
                  > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for
                  sending me
                  > > this piece!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                  > > > >
                  > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Steve
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was just
                  sitting
                  > > back
                  > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in that
                  one.
                  > > Too messy
                  > > > > > for me.
                  > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island. We
                  still
                  > > have (yes us
                  > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they gave
                  us when
                  > > we
                  > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication of
                  the
                  > > school to
                  > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the important
                  phone
                  > > numbers
                  > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-825-
                  XXXX.
                  > > It always
                  > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a
                  photocopy of
                  > > a gazette
                  > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was leaving
                  the
                  > > Island. I
                  > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a newpaper
                  > > article that
                  > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave copies of
                  these
                  > > to that
                  > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about GI. I
                  guess
                  > > I could
                  > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where would I
                  send it?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Kim Johnson Czernikowski
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
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                • Debbie Hart
                  Was that Coastie s name Dave that dated Georgeann? Was that her name? I remember Greg - he always intimidated me! LOL! And remember the original cherry
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                    Was that Coastie's name Dave that dated Georgeann? Was that her name? I remember Greg - he always intimidated me! LOL! And remember the original cherry coke at Flags?
                    Deb
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: semiauto_guy
                    To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:20 PM
                    Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


                    Hi Steve,

                    You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either a
                    dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went to
                    PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                    assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire Station.

                    1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs. Bernstein
                    was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system coming
                    on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long time.
                    Too weird.

                    John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I went
                    with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for me.
                    Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.

                    The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one older
                    and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
                    worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
                    them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
                    with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the Ferry
                    all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name. Wow
                    another deep memory.


                    You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went out
                    with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
                    House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop one
                    night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from the
                    balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was a
                    door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way between
                    the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
                    overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both of
                    them soaked. I can still smell the rain.

                    Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a midget
                    there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to see
                    him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.

                    Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at the O
                    Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.

                    I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the smell of
                    the french fries there.

                    Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
                    remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....

                    Regards,
                    Michael

                    --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                    <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                    > Mike -
                    >
                    > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
                    > one from the Young Rascals.
                    >
                    > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
                    > one of my classes.
                    >
                    > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
                    > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
                    > first friend on the island.
                    >
                    > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                    >
                    > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking lot.
                    >
                    > Steve
                    >
                    > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                    >
                    > > Hi Steve,
                    > >
                    > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to Xavier in
                    the
                    > > city.
                    > >
                    > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
                    thinking
                    > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his mother
                    but
                    > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                    > >
                    > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape May NJ
                    > > but no luck there either.
                    > >
                    > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with Doug
                    > > Welliver.
                    > >
                    > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I must
                    have
                    > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are very
                    fuzzy.
                    > >
                    > > Regards,
                    > > Michael
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                    > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                    > > > Mike,
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
                    remember
                    > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                    > > >
                    > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
                    team
                    > > then,
                    > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood were
                    on
                    > > the
                    > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
                    > > Comissary
                    > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                    sponsorship.
                    > > Cott
                    > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                    remember it
                    > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or maybe
                    > > Colts,
                    > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a pretty,
                    but
                    > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                    > > >
                    > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a lot
                    > > during those
                    > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                    > > >
                    > > > Steve
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
                    Hokoana.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
                    > > interesting
                    > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > Michael Simmons
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                    Carteret
                    > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                    > > > > > Hey Mike -
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come back
                    from
                    > > the
                    > > > > first and
                    > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                    > > Henderson's
                    > > > > were neighbors
                    > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together. Saw
                    them
                    > > in
                    > > > > NoCal about
                    > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
                    across
                    > > from
                    > > > > us, funny you
                    > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
                    out - I
                    > > > > remember Debbie,
                    > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
                    football
                    > > team,
                    > > > > along with
                    > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the plays,
                    > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                    > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                    remember
                    > > Eddie
                    > > > > Otero. Also
                    > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over in
                    555,
                    > > near
                    > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                    > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about the
                    time
                    > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                    > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I don't
                    > > remember
                    > > > > if he stayed around
                    > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can get
                    one
                    > > of
                    > > > > my students to fire
                    > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up and
                    we
                    > > can
                    > > > > start collecting signups...
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Steve
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
                    blading
                    > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked
                    to
                    > > him
                    > > > > about
                    > > > > > > a year before he died.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
                    > > somewhere.
                    > > > > Helen
                    > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with
                    > > here
                    > > > > after
                    > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
                    (Jesse)
                    > > have
                    > > > > > > passed on.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
                    > > successful
                    > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
                    while.
                    > > Last
                    > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just
                    got
                    > > a
                    > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was
                    > > Paul
                    > > > > and
                    > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late
                    last
                    > > > > year.
                    > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on
                    > > Staten
                    > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails
                    but
                    > > lost
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg
                    > > > > Mitchell
                    > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose
                    Rosa,
                    > > > > Cathy
                    > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie),
                    Ben
                    > > > > Joyce,
                    > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a
                    > > copy of
                    > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing
                    it
                    > > here.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                    > > Carteret
                    > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding
                    at
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                    > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral
                    to
                    > > occupy
                    > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                    > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I
                    > > remember
                    > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                    > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him
                    > > living
                    > > > > in
                    > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                    > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My
                    Dad
                    > > worked
                    > > > > for
                    > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                    > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill.
                    His
                    > > Mom
                    > > > > was a
                    > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
                    Harding
                    > > and
                    > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                    > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His
                    name
                    > > > > escaped
                    > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                    > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea
                    > > cause
                    > > > > they
                    > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                    > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are several
                    > > > > brothers
                    > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                    > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park
                    > > next
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                    > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
                    older
                    > > was on
                    > > > > my
                    > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                    > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
                    away.
                    > > They
                    > > > > were
                    > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                    > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name before,
                    but
                    > > it
                    > > > > WAS
                    > > > > > > the late '60s!
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                    > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling
                    some
                    > > > > cool
                    > > > > > > memories,
                    > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
                    started
                    > > moving
                    > > > > > > onto the
                    > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's
                    > > Island,
                    > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                    > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters.
                    Ours
                    > > was
                    > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                    > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
                    forget
                    > > what
                    > > > > you
                    > > > > > > had for
                    > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came
                    to
                    > > > > work.
                    > > > > > > Later, the
                    > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
                    prefix
                    > > was
                    > > > > 344
                    > > > > > > (ours was
                    > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                    assigned to
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > Customs House,
                    > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry
                    > > > > Terminal
                    > > > > > > and Battery
                    > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem
                    to
                    > > > > recall
                    > > > > > > the first
                    > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or
                    maybe
                    > > > > Adm.
                    > > > > > > Whalen? When
                    > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
                    assigned
                    > > 612-
                    > > > > D
                    > > > > > > in the old
                    > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                    > > available.
                    > > > > > > During our few
                    > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                    > > temporarily
                    > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                    > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of
                    Capt
                    > > at
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > time....
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school
                    and
                    > > > > running
                    > > > > > > through the
                    > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
                    anyone do
                    > > > > well in
                    > > > > > > school there?
                    > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was
                    sent
                    > > to
                    > > > > > > Germany, since there
                    > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being built
                    in
                    > > > > Germany
                    > > > > > > and Holland that
                    > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                    > > construction. We
                    > > > > got
                    > > > > > > assigned
                    > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though
                    Dad
                    > > was
                    > > > > > > officially attatched
                    > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I
                    > > ended up
                    > > > > > > going to a DoD
                    > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
                    from
                    > > 6,000
                    > > > > at
                    > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                    > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point
                    to
                    > > all
                    > > > > this
                    > > > > > > is around the
                    > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually
                    lucky,
                    > > in
                    > > > > that
                    > > > > > > it will always
                    > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still
                    > > > > accessible.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to
                    take
                    > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                    > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the
                    > > Americans
                    > > > > were
                    > > > > > > gone, the housing
                    > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to
                    > > talk my
                    > > > > way
                    > > > > > > onto the base
                    > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after
                    all
                    > > these
                    > > > > > > years, and it was
                    > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no
                    cars,
                    > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                    > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not
                    > > > > altogether a
                    > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                    overseas,
                    > > who
                    > > > > have
                    > > > > > > even less to
                    > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                    > > developments
                    > > > > in
                    > > > > > > their places.
                    > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So,
                    I
                    > > guess
                    > > > > > > there is something
                    > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
                    thankful
                    > > for.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this
                    > > ramble
                    > > > > and
                    > > > > > > have a broadband
                    > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is
                    the
                    > > > > brochure
                    > > > > > > the Army produced
                    > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked
                    > > when I
                    > > > > > > moved there. I have
                    > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
                    server,
                    > > but I
                    > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                    > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo
                    > > > > galleries
                    > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                    > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for
                    > > sending
                    > > > > me
                    > > > > > > this piece!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Steve
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was
                    just
                    > > > > sitting
                    > > > > > > back
                    > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in
                    that
                    > > > > one.
                    > > > > > > Too messy
                    > > > > > > > > > for me.
                    > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island.
                    We
                    > > still
                    > > > > > > have (yes us
                    > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they
                    gave
                    > > us
                    > > > > when
                    > > > > > > we
                    > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication
                    of
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > school to
                    > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
                    > > important
                    > > > > phone
                    > > > > > > numbers
                    > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-
                    825-
                    > > > > XXXX.
                    > > > > > > It always
                    > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a
                    > > photocopy
                    > > > > of
                    > > > > > > a gazette
                    > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was
                    > > leaving
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > Island. I
                    > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
                    > > newpaper
                    > > > > > > article that
                    > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
                    copies
                    > > of
                    > > > > these
                    > > > > > > to that
                    > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about
                    GI.
                    > > I
                    > > > > guess
                    > > > > > > I could
                    > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where
                    would I
                    > > > > send it?
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                    When Brad and I went back to the Island in winter 69, Lisa came back too - she was in the Atlanta area at the time, but have no idea where she is now... ...
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                      When Brad and I went back to the Island in winter '69, Lisa came back too - she was in the Atlanta area at the time, but have no idea where she is now...
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: semiauto_guy
                      To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:36 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


                      Steve,

                      Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry ride. I never
                      wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable,
                      there was always this thought that things would always remain the
                      same (how unrealistic).

                      GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it was for a lot of
                      people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then moved into the
                      city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969. I stayed with
                      anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's (Mrs. Welliver gave
                      me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I played tennis with
                      the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife - don't ask -
                      too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one night (I think he
                      felt sorry for me).

                      Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got busted by
                      Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting, Brad Morton and
                      myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I fiddle around
                      after high school for a couple of years. I join the Air Force in
                      late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner before I answer
                      the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time and don't worry
                      about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure what you're
                      talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive on the phone. I
                      stopped and saw him after I got out of basic training. He looked
                      the same just more mellow.

                      Where is Lisa Hobdy???

                      Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would have with the CG
                      guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing baseball against
                      some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by Ligget Hall (the
                      one across the street, not the small field behind the building and
                      moved out to the field there towards the end of the island (past the
                      old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).

                      Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about all this stuff.
                      Ignacio was the catylyst.

                      Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...

                      Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who worked over in the
                      bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB back in 1975 (that
                      is 30 years ago - YIKES). I was working at the movie theatre (ran
                      the projector) and who walks in the door one night but Gina
                      Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the O club there and
                      who comes through the line one night but Capt and Mrs Jennings (Pat,
                      Karen and ..... brain fade).

                      Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still running :-)

                      Michael

                      --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                      <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                      > Mike
                      > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through John. I
                      do know that
                      > I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived
                      right behind
                      > that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I lived
                      in the longer
                      > building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me all
                      the "New York"
                      > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot the
                      Beatles' "A Hard
                      > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have
                      it. I remember
                      > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It was a
                      tradition I
                      > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too,
                      though more so with John.
                      > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another guy
                      Steve who lived
                      > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or Corbett, or
                      something.
                      >
                      > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the staockade
                      and Bldg 400,
                      > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One morning as
                      I delivered the
                      > paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one of
                      my classmate's
                      > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs
                      actually. Very uncomfortable
                      > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his daughter
                      Susan was in my class
                      > and I think she had an older brother.
                      >
                      > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > Hi Steve,
                      > >
                      > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either
                      a
                      > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went
                      to
                      > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                      > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire
                      Station.
                      > >
                      > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs.
                      Bernstein
                      > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system
                      coming
                      > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long
                      time.
                      > > Too weird.
                      > >
                      >
                      > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I got
                      stuck with
                      > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white
                      shirt fridays"
                      > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up and
                      march in
                      > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something
                      played the piano.
                      >
                      >
                      > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I
                      went
                      > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for
                      me.
                      > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.
                      > >
                      > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one
                      older
                      > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
                      > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
                      > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
                      > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the
                      Ferry
                      > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name.
                      Wow
                      > > another deep memory.
                      >
                      > Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP she
                      went with
                      > was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would be
                      teased
                      > by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding Bell
                      Blues.
                      >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went
                      out
                      > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
                      > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop
                      one
                      > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from
                      the
                      > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was
                      a
                      > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way
                      between
                      > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
                      > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both
                      of
                      > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                      >
                      > His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells, every
                      once in
                      > a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and it
                      always stops
                      > me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet
                      leaf reminiscences
                      > are few and far between....
                      >
                      > >
                      > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a
                      midget
                      > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to
                      see
                      > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.
                      >
                      > Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy,
                      Herman. Herman
                      > would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land in
                      my back yard.
                      > He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his ball.
                      Then I'd
                      > go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's. Made
                      myself a
                      > little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find in
                      the back yard,
                      > then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown Royal
                      bag (Dad's, not
                      > mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside the
                      entrance to the fort.
                      > Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I
                      always had money.
                      > >
                      > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at
                      the O
                      > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                      >
                      > Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I think.
                      Had the bzz harcut
                      > on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len Barry
                      coming? ("1,2,3").
                      > They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.
                      >
                      > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the
                      smell of
                      > > the french fries there.
                      >
                      > Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone now
                      according to
                      > some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the
                      Cafeteria and
                      > Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were
                      dropped for me inside the
                      > back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans. The
                      old German
                      > guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the
                      manager, took good
                      > care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and fresh
                      made donuts,
                      > on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those old
                      guys.
                      >
                      > The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane,
                      when "Somebody to Love" came
                      > on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his
                      brother would sneak
                      > me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane and
                      Buddy Guy. I
                      > was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead I
                      got the loudest
                      > booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.
                      >
                      > As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till you
                      can pay your
                      > own way back".
                      >
                      > Steve
                      >
                      > >
                      > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
                      > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                      > >
                      > > Regards,
                      > > Michael
                      > >
                      > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                      > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                      > > > Mike -
                      > > >
                      > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
                      > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                      > > >
                      > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
                      > > > one of my classes.
                      > > >
                      > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
                      > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
                      > > > first friend on the island.
                      > > >
                      > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                      > > >
                      > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking
                      lot.
                      > > >
                      > > > Steve
                      > > >
                      > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > > Hi Steve,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to
                      Xavier in
                      > > the
                      > > > > city.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
                      > > thinking
                      > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his
                      mother
                      > > but
                      > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape
                      May NJ
                      > > > > but no luck there either.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with
                      Doug
                      > > > > Welliver.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I
                      must
                      > > have
                      > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are
                      very
                      > > fuzzy.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > Michael
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                      Carteret
                      > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                      > > > > > Mike,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
                      > > remember
                      > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
                      > > team
                      > > > > then,
                      > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood
                      were
                      > > on
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
                      > > > > Comissary
                      > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                      > > sponsorship.
                      > > > > Cott
                      > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                      > > remember it
                      > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or
                      maybe
                      > > > > Colts,
                      > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a
                      pretty,
                      > > but
                      > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a
                      lot
                      > > > > during those
                      > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Steve
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
                      > > Hokoana.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
                      > > > > interesting
                      > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                      > > Carteret
                      > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > Hey Mike -
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come
                      back
                      > > from
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > > first and
                      > > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                      > > > > Henderson's
                      > > > > > > were neighbors
                      > > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together.
                      Saw
                      > > them
                      > > > > in
                      > > > > > > NoCal about
                      > > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
                      > > across
                      > > > > from
                      > > > > > > us, funny you
                      > > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
                      > > out - I
                      > > > > > > remember Debbie,
                      > > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
                      > > football
                      > > > > team,
                      > > > > > > along with
                      > > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the
                      plays,
                      > > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                      > > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                      > > remember
                      > > > > Eddie
                      > > > > > > Otero. Also
                      > > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over
                      in
                      > > 555,
                      > > > > near
                      > > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                      > > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about
                      the
                      > > time
                      > > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                      > > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I
                      don't
                      > > > > remember
                      > > > > > > if he stayed around
                      > > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can
                      get
                      > > one
                      > > > > of
                      > > > > > > my students to fire
                      > > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up
                      and
                      > > we
                      > > > > can
                      > > > > > > start collecting signups...
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Steve
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
                      > > blading
                      > > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I
                      talked
                      > > to
                      > > > > him
                      > > > > > > about
                      > > > > > > > > a year before he died.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
                      > > > > somewhere.
                      > > > > > > Helen
                      > > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails
                      with
                      > > > > here
                      > > > > > > after
                      > > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
                      > > (Jesse)
                      > > > > have
                      > > > > > > > > passed on.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
                      > > > > successful
                      > > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
                      > > while.
                      > > > > Last
                      > > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I
                      just
                      > > got
                      > > > > a
                      > > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which
                      was
                      > > > > Paul
                      > > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away
                      late
                      > > last
                      > > > > > > year.
                      > > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over
                      on
                      > > > > Staten
                      > > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few
                      emails
                      > > but
                      > > > > lost
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero,
                      Meg
                      > > > > > > Mitchell
                      > > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair,
                      Jose
                      > > Rosa,
                      > > > > > > Cathy
                      > > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister
                      Leslie),
                      > > Ben
                      > > > > > > Joyce,
                      > > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually
                      have a
                      > > > > copy of
                      > > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for
                      sharing
                      > > it
                      > > > > here.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                      de
                      > > > > Carteret
                      > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm.
                      Harding
                      > > at
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                      > > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first
                      admiral
                      > > to
                      > > > > occupy
                      > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                      > > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but
                      I
                      > > > > remember
                      > > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                      > > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall
                      him
                      > > > > living
                      > > > > > > in
                      > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                      > > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though.
                      My
                      > > Dad
                      > > > > worked
                      > > > > > > for
                      > > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                      > > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with
                      Bill.
                      > > His
                      > > > > Mom
                      > > > > > > was a
                      > > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
                      > > Harding
                      > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                      > > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year.
                      His
                      > > name
                      > > > > > > escaped
                      > > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                      > > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't
                      Rea
                      > > > > cause
                      > > > > > > they
                      > > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                      > > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are
                      several
                      > > > > > > brothers
                      > > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                      > > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan
                      Park
                      > > > > next
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                      > > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
                      > > older
                      > > > > was on
                      > > > > > > my
                      > > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                      > > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
                      > > away.
                      > > > > They
                      > > > > > > were
                      > > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                      > > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name
                      before,
                      > > but
                      > > > > it
                      > > > > > > WAS
                      > > > > > > > > the late '60s!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                      > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-
                      kindling
                      > > some
                      > > > > > > cool
                      > > > > > > > > memories,
                      > > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
                      > > started
                      > > > > moving
                      > > > > > > > > onto the
                      > > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for
                      Governor's
                      > > > > Island,
                      > > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                      > > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our
                      quarters.
                      > > Ours
                      > > > > was
                      > > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                      > > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
                      > > forget
                      > > > > what
                      > > > > > > you
                      > > > > > > > > had for
                      > > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you
                      came
                      > > to
                      > > > > > > work.
                      > > > > > > > > Later, the
                      > > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
                      > > prefix
                      > > > > was
                      > > > > > > 344
                      > > > > > > > > (ours was
                      > > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                      > > assigned to
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > Customs House,
                      > > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI
                      Ferry
                      > > > > > > Terminal
                      > > > > > > > > and Battery
                      > > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I
                      seem
                      > > to
                      > > > > > > recall
                      > > > > > > > > the first
                      > > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer,
                      or
                      > > maybe
                      > > > > > > Adm.
                      > > > > > > > > Whalen? When
                      > > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
                      > > assigned
                      > > > > 612-
                      > > > > > > D
                      > > > > > > > > in the old
                      > > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                      > > > > available.
                      > > > > > > > > During our few
                      > > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                      > > > > temporarily
                      > > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                      > > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank
                      of
                      > > Capt
                      > > > > at
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > time....
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting
                      school
                      > > and
                      > > > > > > running
                      > > > > > > > > through the
                      > > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
                      > > anyone do
                      > > > > > > well in
                      > > > > > > > > school there?
                      > > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family
                      was
                      > > sent
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > > Germany, since there
                      > > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being
                      built
                      > > in
                      > > > > > > Germany
                      > > > > > > > > and Holland that
                      > > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                      > > > > construction. We
                      > > > > > > got
                      > > > > > > > > assigned
                      > > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even
                      though
                      > > Dad
                      > > > > was
                      > > > > > > > > officially attatched
                      > > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in
                      Bremen. I
                      > > > > ended up
                      > > > > > > > > going to a DoD
                      > > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
                      > > from
                      > > > > 6,000
                      > > > > > > at
                      > > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                      > > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My
                      point
                      > > to
                      > > > > all
                      > > > > > > this
                      > > > > > > > > is around the
                      > > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are
                      actually
                      > > lucky,
                      > > > > in
                      > > > > > > that
                      > > > > > > > > it will always
                      > > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same,
                      still
                      > > > > > > accessible.
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago
                      to
                      > > take
                      > > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                      > > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed,
                      the
                      > > > > Americans
                      > > > > > > were
                      > > > > > > > > gone, the housing
                      > > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I
                      managed to
                      > > > > talk my
                      > > > > > > way
                      > > > > > > > > onto the base
                      > > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent
                      after
                      > > all
                      > > > > these
                      > > > > > > > > years, and it was
                      > > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings,
                      no
                      > > cars,
                      > > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                      > > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled.
                      Not
                      > > > > > > altogether a
                      > > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                      > > overseas,
                      > > > > who
                      > > > > > > have
                      > > > > > > > > even less to
                      > > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                      > > > > developments
                      > > > > > > in
                      > > > > > > > > their places.
                      > > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to.
                      So,
                      > > I
                      > > > > guess
                      > > > > > > > > there is something
                      > > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
                      > > thankful
                      > > > > for.
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through
                      this
                      > > > > ramble
                      > > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > have a broadband
                      > > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This
                      is
                      > > the
                      > > > > > > brochure
                      > > > > > > > > the Army produced
                      > > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island
                      looked
                      > > > > when I
                      > > > > > > > > moved there. I have
                      > > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
                      > > server,
                      > > > > but I
                      > > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                      > > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for
                      photo
                      > > > > > > galleries
                      > > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                      > > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman
                      for
                      > > > > sending
                      > > > > > > me
                      > > > > > > > > this piece!
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Steve
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                      wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I
                      was
                      > > just
                      > > > > > > sitting
                      > > > > > > > > back
                      > > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved
                      in
                      > > that
                      > > > > > > one.
                      > > > > > > > > Too messy
                      > > > > > > > > > > > for me.
                      > > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the
                      Island.
                      > > We
                      > > > > still
                      > > > > > > > > have (yes us
                      > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book
                      they
                      > > gave
                      > > > > us
                      > > > > > > when
                      > > > > > > > > we
                      > > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the
                      dedication
                      > > of
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > school to
                      > > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
                      > > > > important
                      > > > > > > phone
                      > > > > > > > > numbers
                      > > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all
                      212-
                      > > 825-
                      > > > > > > XXXX.
                      > > > > > > > > It always
                      > > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have
                      a
                      > > > > photocopy
                      > > > > > > of
                      > > > > > > > > a gazette
                      > > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG
                      was
                      > > > > leaving
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > Island. I
                      > > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
                      > > > > newpaper
                      > > > > > > > > article that
                      > > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
                      > > copies
                      > > > > of
                      > > > > > > these
                      > > > > > > > > to that
                      > > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book
                      about
                      > > GI.
                      > > > > I
                      > > > > > > guess
                      > > > > > > > > I could
                      > > > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where
                      > > would I
                      > > > > > > send it?
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                    • Debbie Hart
                      Well hopefully he checks his email from classmates.com cause I found him! We ll see... ... From: semiauto_guy To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com Sent:
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                        Well hopefully he checks his email from classmates.com cause I found him! We'll see...
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: semiauto_guy
                        To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:38 PM
                        Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


                        Hi Debbie,

                        Well, since you got the latest data are you going to try and make
                        contact???? :-)

                        Michael

                        --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Hart"
                        <dhart@c...> wrote:
                        > Last I heard about Garry Harwood he was living in Staten Island
                        but that was many years ago...
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Steve de Carteret
                        > To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:29 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello
                        >
                        >
                        > Hey Mike -
                        >
                        > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come back from
                        the first and
                        > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                        Henderson's were neighbors
                        > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together. Saw them in
                        NoCal about
                        > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived across
                        from us, funny you
                        > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull out - I
                        remember Debbie,
                        > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag football
                        team, along with
                        > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the plays,
                        often "Leroy go long and
                        > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I remember
                        Eddie Otero. Also
                        > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over in 555,
                        near Jamie Lombard.
                        > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about the time
                        Sgt. Pepper came
                        > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I don't
                        remember if he stayed around
                        > much after his mom's suicide.
                        >
                        > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can get one of
                        my students to fire
                        > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up and we can
                        start collecting signups...
                        >
                        > Always too many things to do...
                        >
                        > Steve
                        >
                        > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > Hi Steve,
                        > >
                        > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller blading
                        > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I talked to him
                        about
                        > > a year before he died.
                        > >
                        > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west somewhere.
                        Helen
                        > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails with here
                        after
                        > > David died. I believe both the father and mother (Jesse) have
                        > > passed on.
                        > >
                        > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very successful
                        > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a while.
                        Last
                        > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                        > >
                        > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I just got a
                        > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which was Paul
                        and
                        > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away late last
                        year.
                        > > I talked to him last June.
                        > >
                        > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over on Staten
                        > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few emails but lost
                        the
                        > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                        > >
                        > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero, Meg
                        Mitchell
                        > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair, Jose Rosa,
                        Cathy
                        > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister Leslie), Ben
                        Joyce,
                        > > Leroy Rathburn????
                        > >
                        > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually have a copy
                        of
                        > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for sharing it
                        here.
                        > >
                        > > Michael Simmons
                        > >
                        > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                        Carteret
                        > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm. Harding at
                        the
                        > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                        > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first admiral to
                        occupy
                        > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                        > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                        > > >
                        > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but I remember
                        > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                        > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall him
                        living in
                        > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                        > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though. My Dad
                        worked for
                        > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                        > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with Bill. His Mom
                        was a
                        > > kick in the pants.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween Harding
                        and
                        > > Whalen that never moved to the
                        > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year. His name
                        escaped
                        > > him, but he had a brother that
                        > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't Rea cause
                        they
                        > > were personal friends, and he
                        > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are several
                        brothers
                        > > that were high ranking officers at
                        > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                        > > >
                        > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan Park next
                        the
                        > > second tee box. There were at
                        > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year older was
                        on my
                        > > flag football team. I remember
                        > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed away. They
                        were
                        > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                        > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name before, but
                        it WAS
                        > > the late '60s!
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                        > > > >
                        > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                        > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-kindling some
                        cool
                        > > memories,
                        > > > > so here's some more.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first started
                        moving
                        > > onto the
                        > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for Governor's Island,
                        > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                        > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our quarters. Ours
                        was
                        > > 4267, funny how
                        > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and forget
                        what you
                        > > had for
                        > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you came to
                        work.
                        > > Later, the
                        > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the prefix was
                        344
                        > > (ours was
                        > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                        > > > >
                        > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also assigned to
                        the
                        > > Customs House,
                        > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI Ferry
                        Terminal
                        > > and Battery
                        > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I seem to
                        recall
                        > > the first
                        > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer, or maybe
                        Adm.
                        > > Whalen? When
                        > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily assigned
                        612-D
                        > > in the old
                        > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                        available.
                        > > During our few
                        > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                        temporarily
                        > > occupied 612-F,
                        > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank of Capt
                        at the
                        > > time....
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting school and
                        running
                        > > through the
                        > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did anyone do
                        well in
                        > > school there?
                        > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family was sent to
                        > > Germany, since there
                        > > > > were a large number of container ships being built in
                        Germany
                        > > and Holland that
                        > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during construction.
                        We got
                        > > assigned
                        > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even though Dad
                        was
                        > > officially attatched
                        > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in Bremen. I ended
                        up
                        > > going to a DoD
                        > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change from
                        6,000 at
                        > > Brooklyn Tech
                        > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My point to
                        all this
                        > > is around the
                        > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are actually lucky,
                        in that
                        > > it will always
                        > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same, still
                        accessible.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago to take
                        > > pictures prior to a big
                        > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed, the
                        Americans were
                        > > gone, the housing
                        > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I managed to talk
                        my way
                        > > onto the base
                        > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent after all
                        these
                        > > years, and it was
                        > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings, no cars,
                        > > overgrown grass. Not
                        > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled. Not
                        altogether a
                        > > pleasant visit.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and overseas, who
                        have
                        > > even less to
                        > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                        developments in
                        > > their places.
                        > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to. So, I
                        guess
                        > > there is something
                        > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be thankful
                        for.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through this ramble
                        and
                        > > have a broadband
                        > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This is the
                        brochure
                        > > the Army produced
                        > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island looked when
                        I
                        > > moved there. I have
                        > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web server, but
                        I
                        > > have yet to do muh with
                        > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for photo
                        galleries
                        > > and a sign up database.
                        > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman for
                        sending me
                        > > this piece!
                        > > > >
                        > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                        > > > >
                        > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Steve
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I was just
                        sitting
                        > > back
                        > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved in that
                        one.
                        > > Too messy
                        > > > > > for me.
                        > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the Island. We
                        still
                        > > have (yes us
                        > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book they gave
                        us when
                        > > we
                        > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the dedication of
                        the
                        > > school to
                        > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the important
                        phone
                        > > numbers
                        > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all 212-825-
                        XXXX.
                        > > It always
                        > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have a
                        photocopy of
                        > > a gazette
                        > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG was leaving
                        the
                        > > Island. I
                        > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a newpaper
                        > > article that
                        > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave copies of
                        these
                        > > to that
                        > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book about GI. I
                        guess
                        > > I could
                        > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where would I
                        send it?
                        > > > > >
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                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
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                      • Steve de Carteret
                        Hah! Now the recollections are getting a bit depraved. Were you referring to the Gerblicks? Air Force guy from the SAR school? Wife Claudia, daughter Diana?
                        Message 11 of 29 , Jul 1, 2005
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                          Hah! Now the recollections are getting a bit depraved. Were you
                          referring to the Gerblicks? Air Force guy from the SAR school?
                          Wife Claudia, daughter Diana? Can't remember his first name, but
                          they were always over at the Busby's house next door. You remember
                          Debbie, right? Fun times, the 60s. I won't ask if you won't...

                          --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@...> wrote:

                          > Steve,
                          >
                          > Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry ride. I never
                          > wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable,
                          > there was always this thought that things would always remain the
                          > same (how unrealistic).
                          >
                          > GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it was for a lot of
                          > people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then moved into the
                          > city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969. I stayed with
                          > anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's (Mrs. Welliver gave
                          > me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I played tennis with
                          > the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife - don't ask -
                          > too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one night (I think he
                          > felt sorry for me).
                          >
                          > Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got busted by
                          > Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting, Brad Morton and
                          > myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I fiddle around
                          > after high school for a couple of years. I join the Air Force in
                          > late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner before I answer
                          > the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time and don't worry
                          > about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure what you're
                          > talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive on the phone. I
                          > stopped and saw him after I got out of basic training. He looked
                          > the same just more mellow.
                          >
                          > Where is Lisa Hobdy???
                          >
                          > Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would have with the CG
                          > guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing baseball against
                          > some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by Ligget Hall (the
                          > one across the street, not the small field behind the building and
                          > moved out to the field there towards the end of the island (past the
                          > old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).

                          I lived for baseball back then. Seems every Saturday I was walking
                          up to Herman's Sporting Goods (110 Nassau Street!) a couple of blocks
                          past Washington's statue in front of the Fed reserve. Used to go to
                          a lot of Yankee games back then $1.50 for Gen Adm to the third deck,
                          before the renovation, and the foul lines were still 299 and 301. After
                          the second inning, the 80 year old drunks in the Uncle Sam costumes acting
                          as ushers for the box seats would not off, and we'd sneak into seats
                          right on the rail. The Yanks sucked in 67 and 68, so this was no problem.
                          You earned the "pig of the day" honors if you could eat about $5 worth
                          of concession foods (hot dogs only $.45). Nowadays you can barely get
                          a soda for 5 bucks. We'd go early to watch BP, and soon enough realized that
                          if you positioned yourself in the empty seats near the left field foul pole,
                          you could almost always come up with a one hopper into the stands. I'd come
                          back from games almost always with a ball in my hand. Herman would be working
                          the ferry, and was always amazed, "You got ANOTHER foul ball!!!!". I never let on.

                          >
                          > Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about all this stuff.
                          > Ignacio was the catylyst.
                          >
                          > Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...

                          Carol. In my class, and very bawdy. Earlier Deb mentioned the Grays, and their
                          sister WAS Margaret. She and Carol Paquette were good friends.

                          > Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who worked over in the
                          > bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB back in 1975 (that
                          > is 30 years ago - YIKES).

                          Interesting you mentioned him, after my last post I was picturing the guy,
                          then his name popped up. Also picture his Mom, too, but I'd forgotten her
                          name. I remember John from Boy Scouts. He was in the "Rat Patrol", and
                          we were the Wolverines with Scott Austin and Joseph Russell - you remember his
                          dad, the Umpire, right? John was one hell of a bowler. As good a hang out
                          place as the new bowling alley was, that old 8 lane place next to Capeharts
                          was pretty cool.

                          Morton's German Shepherds? One named Baron I recall.

                          Chaplain Hardman's pair of Izetta's? (Cars, folks)

                          And speaking of ferrys, the old Gen Wm. H. Hart? The firetrap....

                          Were you in Rod & Gun club with Peter Rotolo when his dad ran it? After the
                          Army abandoned Bldg. 400, that climb up into the attic was done with flash
                          lights, and there were massive holes in the floors. Very spooky.

                          One of the lasting memories of the island were the bugle calls. I was especially
                          fond of Tattoo which was played at 9PM. I don't think the CG kept that one.
                          It was also fun watching the Army officers coming home duck into the house at
                          5:05PM so as not to get caught standing attention for retreat. I mean, they would RUN.
                          It was fun to watch, even then.

                          Steve

                          I was working at the movie theatre (ran
                          > the projector) and who walks in the door one night but Gina
                          > Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the O club there and
                          > who comes through the line one night but Capt and Mrs Jennings (Pat,
                          > Karen and ..... brain fade).
                          >
                          > Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still running :-)
                          >
                          > Michael
                          >
                          > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                          > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                          > > Mike
                          > > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through John. I
                          > do know that
                          > > I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived
                          > right behind
                          > > that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I lived
                          > in the longer
                          > > building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me all
                          > the "New York"
                          > > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot the
                          > Beatles' "A Hard
                          > > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have
                          > it. I remember
                          > > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It was a
                          > tradition I
                          > > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too,
                          > though more so with John.
                          > > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another guy
                          > Steve who lived
                          > > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or Corbett, or
                          > something.
                          > >
                          > > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the staockade
                          > and Bldg 400,
                          > > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One morning as
                          > I delivered the
                          > > paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one of
                          > my classmate's
                          > > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs
                          > actually. Very uncomfortable
                          > > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his daughter
                          > Susan was in my class
                          > > and I think she had an older brother.
                          > >
                          > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > Hi Steve,
                          > > >
                          > > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either
                          > a
                          > > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went
                          > to
                          > > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                          > > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire
                          > Station.
                          > > >
                          > > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs.
                          > Bernstein
                          > > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system
                          > coming
                          > > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long
                          > time.
                          > > > Too weird.
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I got
                          > stuck with
                          > > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white
                          > shirt fridays"
                          > > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up and
                          > march in
                          > > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something
                          > played the piano.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I
                          > went
                          > > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for
                          > me.
                          > > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.
                          > > >
                          > > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one
                          > older
                          > > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
                          > > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
                          > > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
                          > > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the
                          > Ferry
                          > > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name.
                          > Wow
                          > > > another deep memory.
                          > >
                          > > Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP she
                          > went with
                          > > was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would be
                          > teased
                          > > by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding Bell
                          > Blues.
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went
                          > out
                          > > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
                          > > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop
                          > one
                          > > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from
                          > the
                          > > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was
                          > a
                          > > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way
                          > between
                          > > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
                          > > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both
                          > of
                          > > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                          > >
                          > > His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells, every
                          > once in
                          > > a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and it
                          > always stops
                          > > me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet
                          > leaf reminiscences
                          > > are few and far between....
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a
                          > midget
                          > > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to
                          > see
                          > > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.
                          > >
                          > > Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy,
                          > Herman. Herman
                          > > would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land in
                          > my back yard.
                          > > He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his ball.
                          > Then I'd
                          > > go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's. Made
                          > myself a
                          > > little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find in
                          > the back yard,
                          > > then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown Royal
                          > bag (Dad's, not
                          > > mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside the
                          > entrance to the fort.
                          > > Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I
                          > always had money.
                          > > >
                          > > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at
                          > the O
                          > > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                          > >
                          > > Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I think.
                          > Had the bzz harcut
                          > > on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len Barry
                          > coming? ("1,2,3").
                          > > They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.
                          > >
                          > > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the
                          > smell of
                          > > > the french fries there.
                          > >
                          > > Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone now
                          > according to
                          > > some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the
                          > Cafeteria and
                          > > Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were
                          > dropped for me inside the
                          > > back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans. The
                          > old German
                          > > guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the
                          > manager, took good
                          > > care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and fresh
                          > made donuts,
                          > > on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those old
                          > guys.
                          > >
                          > > The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane,
                          > when "Somebody to Love" came
                          > > on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his
                          > brother would sneak
                          > > me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane and
                          > Buddy Guy. I
                          > > was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead I
                          > got the loudest
                          > > booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.
                          > >
                          > > As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till you
                          > can pay your
                          > > own way back".
                          > >
                          > > Steve
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
                          > > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                          > > >
                          > > > Regards,
                          > > > Michael
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                          > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                          > > > > Mike -
                          > > > >
                          > > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
                          > > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
                          > > > > one of my classes.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
                          > > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
                          > > > > first friend on the island.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking
                          > lot.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Steve
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > Hi Steve,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to
                          > Xavier in
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > city.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
                          > > > thinking
                          > > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his
                          > mother
                          > > > but
                          > > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape
                          > May NJ
                          > > > > > but no luck there either.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with
                          > Doug
                          > > > > > Welliver.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I
                          > must
                          > > > have
                          > > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are
                          > very
                          > > > fuzzy.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > Michael
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                          > Carteret
                          > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                          > > > > > > Mike,
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
                          > > > remember
                          > > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
                          > > > team
                          > > > > > then,
                          > > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood
                          > were
                          > > > on
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
                          > > > > > Comissary
                          > > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                          > > > sponsorship.
                          > > > > > Cott
                          > > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                          > > > remember it
                          > > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or
                          > maybe
                          > > > > > Colts,
                          > > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a
                          > pretty,
                          > > > but
                          > > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a
                          > lot
                          > > > > > during those
                          > > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Steve
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
                          > > > Hokoana.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
                          > > > > > interesting
                          > > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                          > > > Carteret
                          > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                          > > > > > > > > Hey Mike -
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come
                          > back
                          > > > from
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > first and
                          > > > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                          > > > > > Henderson's
                          > > > > > > > were neighbors
                          > > > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together.
                          > Saw
                          > > > them
                          > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > NoCal about
                          > > > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
                          > > > across
                          > > > > > from
                          > > > > > > > us, funny you
                          > > > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
                          > > > out - I
                          > > > > > > > remember Debbie,
                          > > > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
                          > > > football
                          > > > > > team,
                          > > > > > > > along with
                          > > > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the
                          > plays,
                          > > > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                          > > > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                          > > > remember
                          > > > > > Eddie
                          > > > > > > > Otero. Also
                          > > > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over
                          > in
                          > > > 555,
                          > > > > > near
                          > > > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                          > > > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about
                          > the
                          > > > time
                          > > > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                          > > > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I
                          > don't
                          > > > > > remember
                          > > > > > > > if he stayed around
                          > > > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can
                          > get
                          > > > one
                          > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > my students to fire
                          > > > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up
                          > and
                          > > > we
                          > > > > > can
                          > > > > > > > start collecting signups...
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Steve
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
                          > > > blading
                          > > > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I
                          > talked
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > him
                          > > > > > > > about
                          > > > > > > > > > a year before he died.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
                          > > > > > somewhere.
                          > > > > > > > Helen
                          > > > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails
                          > with
                          > > > > > here
                          > > > > > > > after
                          > > > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
                          > > > (Jesse)
                          > > > > > have
                          > > > > > > > > > passed on.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
                          > > > > > successful
                          > > > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
                          > > > while.
                          > > > > > Last
                          > > > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I
                          > just
                          > > > got
                          > > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which
                          > was
                          > > > > > Paul
                          > > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away
                          > late
                          > > > last
                          > > > > > > > year.
                          > > > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over
                          > on
                          > > > > > Staten
                          > > > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few
                          > emails
                          > > > but
                          > > > > > lost
                          > > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero,
                          > Meg
                          > > > > > > > Mitchell
                          > > > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair,
                          > Jose
                          > > > Rosa,
                          > > > > > > > Cathy
                          > > > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister
                          > Leslie),
                          > > > Ben
                          > > > > > > > Joyce,
                          > > > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually
                          > have a
                          > > > > > copy of
                          > > > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for
                          > sharing
                          > > > it
                          > > > > > here.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                          > de
                          > > > > > Carteret
                          > > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                          > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                          > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm.
                          > Harding
                          > > > at
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first
                          > admiral
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > occupy
                          > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                          > > > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                          > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but
                          > I
                          > > > > > remember
                          > > > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                          > > > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall
                          > him
                          > > > > > living
                          > > > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                          > > > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though.
                          > My
                          > > > Dad
                          > > > > > worked
                          > > > > > > > for
                          > > > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                          > > > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with
                          > Bill.
                          > > > His
                          > > > > > Mom
                          > > > > > > > was a
                          > > > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
                          > > > Harding
                          > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year.
                          > His
                          > > > name
                          > > > > > > > escaped
                          > > > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                          > > > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't
                          > Rea
                          > > > > > cause
                          > > > > > > > they
                          > > > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                          > > > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are
                          > several
                          > > > > > > > brothers
                          > > > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                          > > > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                          > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan
                          > Park
                          > > > > > next
                          > > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                          > > > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
                          > > > older
                          > > > > > was on
                          > > > > > > > my
                          > > > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                          > > > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
                          > > > away.
                          > > > > > They
                          > > > > > > > were
                          > > > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                          > > > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name
                          > before,
                          > > > but
                          > > > > > it
                          > > > > > > > WAS
                          > > > > > > > > > the late '60s!
                          > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-
                          > kindling
                          > > > some
                          > > > > > > > cool
                          > > > > > > > > > memories,
                          > > > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
                          > > > started
                          > > > > > moving
                          > > > > > > > > > onto the
                          > > > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for
                          > Governor's
                          > > > > > Island,
                          > > > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                          > > > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our
                          > quarters.
                          > > > Ours
                          > > > > > was
                          > > > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                          > > > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
                          > > > forget
                          > > > > > what
                          > > > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > > > had for
                          > > > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you
                          > came
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > > > work.
                          > > > > > > > > > Later, the
                          > > > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
                          > > > prefix
                          > > > > > was
                          > > > > > > > 344
                          > > > > > > > > > (ours was
                          > > > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                          > > > assigned to
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > Customs House,
                          > > > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI
                          > Ferry
                          > > > > > > > Terminal
                          > > > > > > > > > and Battery
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I
                          > seem
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > > > recall
                          > > > > > > > > > the first
                          > > > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer,
                          > or
                          > > > maybe
                          > > > > > > > Adm.
                          > > > > > > > > > Whalen? When
                          > > > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
                          > > > assigned
                          > > > > > 612-
                          > > > > > > > D
                          > > > > > > > > > in the old
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                          > > > > > available.
                          > > > > > > > > > During our few
                          > > > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                          > > > > > temporarily
                          > > > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                          > > > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank
                          > of
                          > > > Capt
                          > > > > > at
                          > > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > time....
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting
                          > school
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > > > running
                          > > > > > > > > > through the
                          > > > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
                          > > > anyone do
                          > > > > > > > well in
                          > > > > > > > > > school there?
                          > > > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family
                          > was
                          > > > sent
                          > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > > > Germany, since there
                          > > > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being
                          > built
                          > > > in
                          > > > > > > > Germany
                          > > > > > > > > > and Holland that
                          > > > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                          > > > > > construction. We
                          > > > > > > > got
                          > > > > > > > > > assigned
                          > > > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even
                          > though
                          > > > Dad
                          > > > > > was
                          > > > > > > > > > officially attatched
                          > > > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in
                          > Bremen. I
                          > > > > > ended up
                          > > > > > > > > > going to a DoD
                          > > > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
                          > > > from
                          > > > > > 6,000
                          > > > > > > > at
                          > > > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                          > > > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My
                          > point
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > all
                          > > > > > > > this
                          > > > > > > > > > is around the
                          > > > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are
                          > actually
                          > > > lucky,
                          > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > that
                          > > > > > > > > > it will always
                          > > > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same,
                          > still
                          > > > > > > > accessible.
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago
                          > to
                          > > > take
                          > > > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                          > > > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed,
                          > the
                          > > > > > Americans
                          > > > > > > > were
                          > > > > > > > > > gone, the housing
                          > > > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I
                          > managed to
                          > > > > > talk my
                          > > > > > > > way
                          > > > > > > > > > onto the base
                          > > > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent
                          > after
                          > > > all
                          > > > > > these
                          > > > > > > > > > years, and it was
                          > > > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings,
                          > no
                          > > > cars,
                          > > > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                          > > > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled.
                          > Not
                          > > > > > > > altogether a
                          > > > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                          > > > overseas,
                          > > > > > who
                          > > > > > > > have
                          > > > > > > > > > even less to
                          > > > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                          > > > > > developments
                          > > > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > > > > their places.
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to.
                          > So,
                          > > > I
                          > > > > > guess
                          > > > > > > > > > there is something
                          > > > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
                          > > > thankful
                          > > > > > for.
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through
                          > this
                          > > > > > ramble
                          > > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > > have a broadband
                          > > > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This
                          > is
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > > > brochure
                          > > > > > > > > > the Army produced
                          > > > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island
                          > looked
                          > > > > > when I
                          > > > > > > > > > moved there. I have
                          > > > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
                          > > > server,
                          > > > > > but I
                          > > > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                          > > > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for
                          > photo
                          > > > > > > > galleries
                          > > > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                          > > > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman
                          > for
                          > > > > > sending
                          > > > > > > > me
                          > > > > > > > > > this piece!
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > Steve
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                          > wrote:
                          > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I
                          > was
                          > > > just
                          > > > > > > > sitting
                          > > > > > > > > > back
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved
                          > in
                          > > > that
                          > > > > > > > one.
                          > > > > > > > > > Too messy
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > for me.
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the
                          > Island.
                          > > > We
                          > > > > > still
                          > > > > > > > > > have (yes us
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book
                          > they
                          > > > gave
                          > > > > > us
                          > > > > > > > when
                          > > > > > > > > > we
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the
                          > dedication
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > school to
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
                          > > > > > important
                          > > > > > > > phone
                          > > > > > > > > > numbers
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all
                          > 212-
                          > > > 825-
                          > > > > > > > XXXX.
                          > > > > > > > > > It always
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have
                          > a
                          > > > > > photocopy
                          > > > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > > > a gazette
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG
                          > was
                          > > > > > leaving
                          > > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > > > Island. I
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
                          > > > > > newpaper
                          > > > > > > > > > article that
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
                          > > > copies
                          > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > these
                          > > > > > > > > > to that
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book
                          > about
                          > > > GI.
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                          Wow you guys have gone beyond me with this one! LOL! ... From: Steve de Carteret To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:46
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                            Wow you guys have gone beyond me with this one! LOL!
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Steve de Carteret
                            To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:46 PM
                            Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


                            Hah! Now the recollections are getting a bit depraved. Were you
                            referring to the Gerblicks? Air Force guy from the SAR school?
                            Wife Claudia, daughter Diana? Can't remember his first name, but
                            they were always over at the Busby's house next door. You remember
                            Debbie, right? Fun times, the 60s. I won't ask if you won't...

                            --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@...> wrote:

                            > Steve,
                            >
                            > Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry ride. I never
                            > wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable,
                            > there was always this thought that things would always remain the
                            > same (how unrealistic).
                            >
                            > GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it was for a lot of
                            > people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then moved into the
                            > city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969. I stayed with
                            > anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's (Mrs. Welliver gave
                            > me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I played tennis with
                            > the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife - don't ask -
                            > too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one night (I think he
                            > felt sorry for me).
                            >
                            > Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got busted by
                            > Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting, Brad Morton and
                            > myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I fiddle around
                            > after high school for a couple of years. I join the Air Force in
                            > late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner before I answer
                            > the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time and don't worry
                            > about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure what you're
                            > talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive on the phone. I
                            > stopped and saw him after I got out of basic training. He looked
                            > the same just more mellow.
                            >
                            > Where is Lisa Hobdy???
                            >
                            > Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would have with the CG
                            > guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing baseball against
                            > some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by Ligget Hall (the
                            > one across the street, not the small field behind the building and
                            > moved out to the field there towards the end of the island (past the
                            > old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).

                            I lived for baseball back then. Seems every Saturday I was walking
                            up to Herman's Sporting Goods (110 Nassau Street!) a couple of blocks
                            past Washington's statue in front of the Fed reserve. Used to go to
                            a lot of Yankee games back then $1.50 for Gen Adm to the third deck,
                            before the renovation, and the foul lines were still 299 and 301. After
                            the second inning, the 80 year old drunks in the Uncle Sam costumes acting
                            as ushers for the box seats would not off, and we'd sneak into seats
                            right on the rail. The Yanks sucked in 67 and 68, so this was no problem.
                            You earned the "pig of the day" honors if you could eat about $5 worth
                            of concession foods (hot dogs only $.45). Nowadays you can barely get
                            a soda for 5 bucks. We'd go early to watch BP, and soon enough realized that
                            if you positioned yourself in the empty seats near the left field foul pole,
                            you could almost always come up with a one hopper into the stands. I'd come
                            back from games almost always with a ball in my hand. Herman would be working
                            the ferry, and was always amazed, "You got ANOTHER foul ball!!!!". I never let on.

                            >
                            > Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about all this stuff.
                            > Ignacio was the catylyst.
                            >
                            > Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...

                            Carol. In my class, and very bawdy. Earlier Deb mentioned the Grays, and their
                            sister WAS Margaret. She and Carol Paquette were good friends.

                            > Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who worked over in the
                            > bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB back in 1975 (that
                            > is 30 years ago - YIKES).

                            Interesting you mentioned him, after my last post I was picturing the guy,
                            then his name popped up. Also picture his Mom, too, but I'd forgotten her
                            name. I remember John from Boy Scouts. He was in the "Rat Patrol", and
                            we were the Wolverines with Scott Austin and Joseph Russell - you remember his
                            dad, the Umpire, right? John was one hell of a bowler. As good a hang out
                            place as the new bowling alley was, that old 8 lane place next to Capeharts
                            was pretty cool.

                            Morton's German Shepherds? One named Baron I recall.

                            Chaplain Hardman's pair of Izetta's? (Cars, folks)

                            And speaking of ferrys, the old Gen Wm. H. Hart? The firetrap....

                            Were you in Rod & Gun club with Peter Rotolo when his dad ran it? After the
                            Army abandoned Bldg. 400, that climb up into the attic was done with flash
                            lights, and there were massive holes in the floors. Very spooky.

                            One of the lasting memories of the island were the bugle calls. I was especially
                            fond of Tattoo which was played at 9PM. I don't think the CG kept that one.
                            It was also fun watching the Army officers coming home duck into the house at
                            5:05PM so as not to get caught standing attention for retreat. I mean, they would RUN.
                            It was fun to watch, even then.

                            Steve

                            I was working at the movie theatre (ran
                            > the projector) and who walks in the door one night but Gina
                            > Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the O club there and
                            > who comes through the line one night but Capt and Mrs Jennings (Pat,
                            > Karen and ..... brain fade).
                            >
                            > Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still running :-)
                            >
                            > Michael
                            >
                            > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                            > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                            > > Mike
                            > > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through John. I
                            > do know that
                            > > I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived
                            > right behind
                            > > that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I lived
                            > in the longer
                            > > building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me all
                            > the "New York"
                            > > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot the
                            > Beatles' "A Hard
                            > > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have
                            > it. I remember
                            > > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It was a
                            > tradition I
                            > > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too,
                            > though more so with John.
                            > > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another guy
                            > Steve who lived
                            > > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or Corbett, or
                            > something.
                            > >
                            > > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the staockade
                            > and Bldg 400,
                            > > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One morning as
                            > I delivered the
                            > > paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one of
                            > my classmate's
                            > > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs
                            > actually. Very uncomfortable
                            > > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his daughter
                            > Susan was in my class
                            > > and I think she had an older brother.
                            > >
                            > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > Hi Steve,
                            > > >
                            > > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was either
                            > a
                            > > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I went
                            > to
                            > > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                            > > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire
                            > Station.
                            > > >
                            > > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs.
                            > Bernstein
                            > > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system
                            > coming
                            > > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a long
                            > time.
                            > > > Too weird.
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I got
                            > stuck with
                            > > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white
                            > shirt fridays"
                            > > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up and
                            > march in
                            > > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something
                            > played the piano.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as well. I
                            > went
                            > > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning for
                            > me.
                            > > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and 4 AM.
                            > > >
                            > > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was one
                            > older
                            > > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their father
                            > > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can see
                            > > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going out
                            > > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the
                            > Ferry
                            > > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his name.
                            > Wow
                            > > > another deep memory.
                            > >
                            > > Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP she
                            > went with
                            > > was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would be
                            > teased
                            > > by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding Bell
                            > Blues.
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who went
                            > out
                            > > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the Guest
                            > > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro shop
                            > one
                            > > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair from
                            > the
                            > > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There was
                            > a
                            > > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way
                            > between
                            > > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under the
                            > > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain. Both
                            > of
                            > > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                            > >
                            > > His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells, every
                            > once in
                            > > a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and it
                            > always stops
                            > > me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet
                            > leaf reminiscences
                            > > are few and far between....
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a
                            > midget
                            > > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used to
                            > see
                            > > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.
                            > >
                            > > Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy,
                            > Herman. Herman
                            > > would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land in
                            > my back yard.
                            > > He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his ball.
                            > Then I'd
                            > > go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's. Made
                            > myself a
                            > > little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find in
                            > the back yard,
                            > > then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown Royal
                            > bag (Dad's, not
                            > > mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside the
                            > entrance to the fort.
                            > > Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I
                            > always had money.
                            > > >
                            > > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing at
                            > the O
                            > > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                            > >
                            > > Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I think.
                            > Had the bzz harcut
                            > > on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len Barry
                            > coming? ("1,2,3").
                            > > They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.
                            > >
                            > > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the
                            > smell of
                            > > > the french fries there.
                            > >
                            > > Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone now
                            > according to
                            > > some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the
                            > Cafeteria and
                            > > Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were
                            > dropped for me inside the
                            > > back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans. The
                            > old German
                            > > guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the
                            > manager, took good
                            > > care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and fresh
                            > made donuts,
                            > > on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those old
                            > guys.
                            > >
                            > > The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane,
                            > when "Somebody to Love" came
                            > > on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his
                            > brother would sneak
                            > > me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane and
                            > Buddy Guy. I
                            > > was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead I
                            > got the loudest
                            > > booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.
                            > >
                            > > As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till you
                            > can pay your
                            > > own way back".
                            > >
                            > > Steve
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I can't
                            > > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                            > > >
                            > > > Regards,
                            > > > Michael
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                            > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                            > > > > Mike -
                            > > > >
                            > > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been the
                            > > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was in
                            > > > > one of my classes.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band Leader
                            > > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was my
                            > > > > first friend on the island.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the parking
                            > lot.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Steve
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Hi Steve,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to
                            > Xavier in
                            > > > the
                            > > > > > city.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you were
                            > > > thinking
                            > > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his
                            > mother
                            > > > but
                            > > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in Cape
                            > May NJ
                            > > > > > but no luck there either.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along with
                            > Doug
                            > > > > > Welliver.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I
                            > must
                            > > > have
                            > > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are
                            > very
                            > > > fuzzy.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > Michael
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                            > Carteret
                            > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                            > > > > > > Mike,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts and I
                            > > > remember
                            > > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on your
                            > > > team
                            > > > > > then,
                            > > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry Harwood
                            > were
                            > > > on
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad was
                            > > > > > Comissary
                            > > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                            > > > sponsorship.
                            > > > > > Cott
                            > > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                            > > > remember it
                            > > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings, or
                            > maybe
                            > > > > > Colts,
                            > > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a
                            > pretty,
                            > > > but
                            > > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the island a
                            > lot
                            > > > > > during those
                            > > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Steve
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and John
                            > > > Hokoana.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought some
                            > > > > > interesting
                            > > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                            > > > Carteret
                            > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > Hey Mike -
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names come
                            > back
                            > > > from
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > first and
                            > > > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think. The
                            > > > > > Henderson's
                            > > > > > > > were neighbors
                            > > > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked together.
                            > Saw
                            > > > them
                            > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > NoCal about
                            > > > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces lived
                            > > > across
                            > > > > > from
                            > > > > > > > us, funny you
                            > > > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't pull
                            > > > out - I
                            > > > > > > > remember Debbie,
                            > > > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my flag
                            > > > football
                            > > > > > team,
                            > > > > > > > along with
                            > > > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the
                            > plays,
                            > > > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                            > > > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                            > > > remember
                            > > > > > Eddie
                            > > > > > > > Otero. Also
                            > > > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived over
                            > in
                            > > > 555,
                            > > > > > near
                            > > > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                            > > > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was about
                            > the
                            > > > time
                            > > > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                            > > > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords. I
                            > don't
                            > > > > > remember
                            > > > > > > > if he stayed around
                            > > > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I can
                            > get
                            > > > one
                            > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > > my students to fire
                            > > > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site up
                            > and
                            > > > we
                            > > > > > can
                            > > > > > > > start collecting signups...
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Steve
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad roller
                            > > > blading
                            > > > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I
                            > talked
                            > > > to
                            > > > > > him
                            > > > > > > > about
                            > > > > > > > > > a year before he died.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-west
                            > > > > > somewhere.
                            > > > > > > > Helen
                            > > > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of emails
                            > with
                            > > > > > here
                            > > > > > > > after
                            > > > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and mother
                            > > > (Jesse)
                            > > > > > have
                            > > > > > > > > > passed on.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a very
                            > > > > > successful
                            > > > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her in a
                            > > > while.
                            > > > > > Last
                            > > > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California. I
                            > just
                            > > > got
                            > > > > > a
                            > > > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister) which
                            > was
                            > > > > > Paul
                            > > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed away
                            > late
                            > > > last
                            > > > > > > > year.
                            > > > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's over
                            > on
                            > > > > > Staten
                            > > > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few
                            > emails
                            > > > but
                            > > > > > lost
                            > > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie Otero,
                            > Meg
                            > > > > > > > Mitchell
                            > > > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg Blair,
                            > Jose
                            > > > Rosa,
                            > > > > > > > Cathy
                            > > > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister
                            > Leslie),
                            > > > Ben
                            > > > > > > > Joyce,
                            > > > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I actually
                            > have a
                            > > > > > copy of
                            > > > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for
                            > sharing
                            > > > it
                            > > > > > here.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                            > de
                            > > > > > Carteret
                            > > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm.
                            > Harding
                            > > > at
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first
                            > admiral
                            > > > to
                            > > > > > occupy
                            > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                            > > > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals, but
                            > I
                            > > > > > remember
                            > > > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                            > > > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't recall
                            > him
                            > > > > > living
                            > > > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                            > > > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house, though.
                            > My
                            > > > Dad
                            > > > > > worked
                            > > > > > > > for
                            > > > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                            > > > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with
                            > Bill.
                            > > > His
                            > > > > > Mom
                            > > > > > > > was a
                            > > > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral inbetween
                            > > > Harding
                            > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a year.
                            > His
                            > > > name
                            > > > > > > > escaped
                            > > > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                            > > > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time. Wasn't
                            > Rea
                            > > > > > cause
                            > > > > > > > they
                            > > > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                            > > > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are
                            > several
                            > > > > > > > brothers
                            > > > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                            > > > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of them).
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of Nolan
                            > Park
                            > > > > > next
                            > > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                            > > > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a year
                            > > > older
                            > > > > > was on
                            > > > > > > > my
                            > > > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                            > > > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have passed
                            > > > away.
                            > > > > > They
                            > > > > > > > were
                            > > > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                            > > > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name
                            > before,
                            > > > but
                            > > > > > it
                            > > > > > > > WAS
                            > > > > > > > > > the late '60s!
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-
                            > kindling
                            > > > some
                            > > > > > > > cool
                            > > > > > > > > > memories,
                            > > > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families first
                            > > > started
                            > > > > > moving
                            > > > > > > > > > onto the
                            > > > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for
                            > Governor's
                            > > > > > Island,
                            > > > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                            > > > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our
                            > quarters.
                            > > > Ours
                            > > > > > was
                            > > > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                            > > > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers, and
                            > > > forget
                            > > > > > what
                            > > > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > > had for
                            > > > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when you
                            > came
                            > > > to
                            > > > > > > > work.
                            > > > > > > > > > Later, the
                            > > > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first the
                            > > > prefix
                            > > > > > was
                            > > > > > > > 344
                            > > > > > > > > > (ours was
                            > > > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-1158).
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                            > > > assigned to
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > Customs House,
                            > > > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the SI
                            > Ferry
                            > > > > > > > Terminal
                            > > > > > > > > > and Battery
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for? I
                            > seem
                            > > > to
                            > > > > > > > recall
                            > > > > > > > > > the first
                            > > > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm. Pfeiffer,
                            > or
                            > > > maybe
                            > > > > > > > Adm.
                            > > > > > > > > > Whalen? When
                            > > > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were temporarily
                            > > > assigned
                            > > > > > 612-
                            > > > > > > > D
                            > > > > > > > > > in the old
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort became
                            > > > > > available.
                            > > > > > > > > > During our few
                            > > > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm. Whalen
                            > > > > > temporarily
                            > > > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                            > > > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating rank
                            > of
                            > > > Capt
                            > > > > > at
                            > > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > time....
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting
                            > school
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > > > running
                            > > > > > > > > > through the
                            > > > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us. Did
                            > > > anyone do
                            > > > > > > > well in
                            > > > > > > > > > school there?
                            > > > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our family
                            > was
                            > > > sent
                            > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > > Germany, since there
                            > > > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being
                            > built
                            > > > in
                            > > > > > > > Germany
                            > > > > > > > > > and Holland that
                            > > > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                            > > > > > construction. We
                            > > > > > > > got
                            > > > > > > > > > assigned
                            > > > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even
                            > though
                            > > > Dad
                            > > > > > was
                            > > > > > > > > > officially attatched
                            > > > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in
                            > Bremen. I
                            > > > > > ended up
                            > > > > > > > > > going to a DoD
                            > > > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a change
                            > > > from
                            > > > > > 6,000
                            > > > > > > > at
                            > > > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                            > > > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School. My
                            > point
                            > > > to
                            > > > > > all
                            > > > > > > > this
                            > > > > > > > > > is around the
                            > > > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are
                            > actually
                            > > > lucky,
                            > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > that
                            > > > > > > > > > it will always
                            > > > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the same,
                            > still
                            > > > > > > > accessible.
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years ago
                            > to
                            > > > take
                            > > > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                            > > > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was closed,
                            > the
                            > > > > > Americans
                            > > > > > > > were
                            > > > > > > > > > gone, the housing
                            > > > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I
                            > managed to
                            > > > > > talk my
                            > > > > > > > way
                            > > > > > > > > > onto the base
                            > > > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent
                            > after
                            > > > all
                            > > > > > these
                            > > > > > > > > > years, and it was
                            > > > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up buildings,
                            > no
                            > > > cars,
                            > > > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                            > > > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I recalled.
                            > Not
                            > > > > > > > altogether a
                            > > > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                            > > > overseas,
                            > > > > > who
                            > > > > > > > have
                            > > > > > > > > > even less to
                            > > > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed, housing
                            > > > > > developments
                            > > > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > > > their places.
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back to.
                            > So,
                            > > > I
                            > > > > > guess
                            > > > > > > > > > there is something
                            > > > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can be
                            > > > thankful
                            > > > > > for.
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed through
                            > this
                            > > > > > ramble
                            > > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > > have a broadband
                            > > > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat. This
                            > is
                            > > > the
                            > > > > > > > brochure
                            > > > > > > > > > the Army produced
                            > > > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the island
                            > looked
                            > > > > > when I
                            > > > > > > > > > moved there. I have
                            > > > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my web
                            > > > server,
                            > > > > > but I
                            > > > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                            > > > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas for
                            > photo
                            > > > > > > > galleries
                            > > > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                            > > > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene Youngman
                            > for
                            > > > > > sending
                            > > > > > > > me
                            > > > > > > > > > this piece!
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read it.
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > Steve
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                            > wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over. I
                            > was
                            > > > just
                            > > > > > > > sitting
                            > > > > > > > > > back
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting involved
                            > in
                            > > > that
                            > > > > > > > one.
                            > > > > > > > > > Too messy
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > for me.
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the
                            > Island.
                            > > > We
                            > > > > > still
                            > > > > > > > > > have (yes us
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the book
                            > they
                            > > > gave
                            > > > > > us
                            > > > > > > > when
                            > > > > > > > > > we
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the
                            > dedication
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > school to
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all the
                            > > > > > important
                            > > > > > > > phone
                            > > > > > > > > > numbers
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were all
                            > 212-
                            > > > 825-
                            > > > > > > > XXXX.
                            > > > > > > > > > It always
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also have
                            > a
                            > > > > > photocopy
                            > > > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > > > > a gazette
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the CG
                            > was
                            > > > > > leaving
                            > > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > > Island. I
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it. And a
                            > > > > > newpaper
                            > > > > > > > > > article that
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I gave
                            > > > copies
                            > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > > these
                            > > > > > > > > > to that
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a book
                            > about
                            > > > GI.
                            > > > > > I
                            > > > > > > > guess
                            > > > > > > > > > I could
                            > > > > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but where
                            > > > would I
                            > > > > > > > send it?
                            > > > > > > > > > > > >
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                            I do remember Peter Rotolo. He had a brother as well. I was active in the Rod and Gun Club with Peter s dad. Peter and I were in the choir over at the
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                              I do remember Peter Rotolo. He had a brother as well. I was active
                              in the Rod and Gun Club with Peter's dad. Peter and I were in the
                              choir over at the Episcopal Church. Mr. Robinson the choir
                              master. What a task master he was.

                              Choir would do a little Christmas show over at the O club for the
                              ladies. I remember Peter doing a solo.

                              What a trip down memory lane this has been.

                              Here's one for you. I think this girl went out with Gary
                              Stephenson. Blond, short hair, glasses. Want to say her name was
                              Cathy. I can see her just can't put a name with the face. I'm
                              trying to remember where she lived.

                              Michael

                              --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                              <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                              > Hah! Now the recollections are getting a bit depraved. Were you
                              > referring to the Gerblicks? Air Force guy from the SAR school?
                              > Wife Claudia, daughter Diana? Can't remember his first name, but
                              > they were always over at the Busby's house next door. You remember
                              > Debbie, right? Fun times, the 60s. I won't ask if you won't...
                              >
                              > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                              >
                              > > Steve,
                              > >
                              > > Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry ride. I never
                              > > wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable,
                              > > there was always this thought that things would always remain
                              the
                              > > same (how unrealistic).
                              > >
                              > > GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it was for a lot
                              of
                              > > people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then moved into
                              the
                              > > city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969. I stayed
                              with
                              > > anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's (Mrs. Welliver
                              gave
                              > > me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I played tennis
                              with
                              > > the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife - don't
                              ask -
                              > > too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one night (I
                              think he
                              > > felt sorry for me).
                              > >
                              > > Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got busted by
                              > > Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting, Brad Morton
                              and
                              > > myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I fiddle
                              around
                              > > after high school for a couple of years. I join the Air Force
                              in
                              > > late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner before I
                              answer
                              > > the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time and don't
                              worry
                              > > about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure what you're
                              > > talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive on the
                              phone. I
                              > > stopped and saw him after I got out of basic training. He
                              looked
                              > > the same just more mellow.
                              > >
                              > > Where is Lisa Hobdy???
                              > >
                              > > Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would have with the
                              CG
                              > > guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing baseball
                              against
                              > > some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by Ligget Hall
                              (the
                              > > one across the street, not the small field behind the building
                              and
                              > > moved out to the field there towards the end of the island (past
                              the
                              > > old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).
                              >
                              > I lived for baseball back then. Seems every Saturday I was walking
                              > up to Herman's Sporting Goods (110 Nassau Street!) a couple of
                              blocks
                              > past Washington's statue in front of the Fed reserve. Used to go
                              to
                              > a lot of Yankee games back then $1.50 for Gen Adm to the third
                              deck,
                              > before the renovation, and the foul lines were still 299 and 301.
                              After
                              > the second inning, the 80 year old drunks in the Uncle Sam
                              costumes acting
                              > as ushers for the box seats would not off, and we'd sneak into
                              seats
                              > right on the rail. The Yanks sucked in 67 and 68, so this was no
                              problem.
                              > You earned the "pig of the day" honors if you could eat about $5
                              worth
                              > of concession foods (hot dogs only $.45). Nowadays you can barely
                              get
                              > a soda for 5 bucks. We'd go early to watch BP, and soon enough
                              realized that
                              > if you positioned yourself in the empty seats near the left field
                              foul pole,
                              > you could almost always come up with a one hopper into the
                              stands. I'd come
                              > back from games almost always with a ball in my hand. Herman
                              would be working
                              > the ferry, and was always amazed, "You got ANOTHER foul
                              ball!!!!". I never let on.
                              >
                              > >
                              > > Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about all this
                              stuff.
                              > > Ignacio was the catylyst.
                              > >
                              > > Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...
                              >
                              > Carol. In my class, and very bawdy. Earlier Deb mentioned the
                              Grays, and their
                              > sister WAS Margaret. She and Carol Paquette were good friends.
                              >
                              > > Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who worked over in
                              the
                              > > bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB back in 1975
                              (that
                              > > is 30 years ago - YIKES).
                              >
                              > Interesting you mentioned him, after my last post I was picturing
                              the guy,
                              > then his name popped up. Also picture his Mom, too, but I'd
                              forgotten her
                              > name. I remember John from Boy Scouts. He was in the "Rat
                              Patrol", and
                              > we were the Wolverines with Scott Austin and Joseph Russell - you
                              remember his
                              > dad, the Umpire, right? John was one hell of a bowler. As good a
                              hang out
                              > place as the new bowling alley was, that old 8 lane place next to
                              Capeharts
                              > was pretty cool.
                              >
                              > Morton's German Shepherds? One named Baron I recall.
                              >
                              > Chaplain Hardman's pair of Izetta's? (Cars, folks)
                              >
                              > And speaking of ferrys, the old Gen Wm. H. Hart? The firetrap....
                              >
                              > Were you in Rod & Gun club with Peter Rotolo when his dad ran it?
                              After the
                              > Army abandoned Bldg. 400, that climb up into the attic was done
                              with flash
                              > lights, and there were massive holes in the floors. Very spooky.
                              >
                              > One of the lasting memories of the island were the bugle calls. I
                              was especially
                              > fond of Tattoo which was played at 9PM. I don't think the CG kept
                              that one.
                              > It was also fun watching the Army officers coming home duck into
                              the house at
                              > 5:05PM so as not to get caught standing attention for retreat. I
                              mean, they would RUN.
                              > It was fun to watch, even then.
                              >
                              > Steve
                              >
                              > I was working at the movie theatre (ran
                              > > the projector) and who walks in the door one night but Gina
                              > > Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the O club there
                              and
                              > > who comes through the line one night but Capt and Mrs Jennings
                              (Pat,
                              > > Karen and ..... brain fade).
                              > >
                              > > Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still running :-)
                              > >
                              > > Michael
                              > >
                              > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                              > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                              > > > Mike
                              > > > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through
                              John. I
                              > > do know that
                              > > > I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived
                              > > right behind
                              > > > that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I
                              lived
                              > > in the longer
                              > > > building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me
                              all
                              > > the "New York"
                              > > > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot
                              the
                              > > Beatles' "A Hard
                              > > > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have
                              > > it. I remember
                              > > > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It
                              was a
                              > > tradition I
                              > > > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too,
                              > > though more so with John.
                              > > > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another
                              guy
                              > > Steve who lived
                              > > > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or
                              Corbett, or
                              > > something.
                              > > >
                              > > > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the
                              staockade
                              > > and Bldg 400,
                              > > > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One
                              morning as
                              > > I delivered the
                              > > > paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one
                              of
                              > > my classmate's
                              > > > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs
                              > > actually. Very uncomfortable
                              > > > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his
                              daughter
                              > > Susan was in my class
                              > > > and I think she had an older brother.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > > Hi Steve,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was
                              either
                              > > a
                              > > > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I
                              went
                              > > to
                              > > > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                              > > > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire
                              > > Station.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs.
                              > > Bernstein
                              > > > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system
                              > > coming
                              > > > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a
                              long
                              > > time.
                              > > > > Too weird.
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I
                              got
                              > > stuck with
                              > > > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white
                              > > shirt fridays"
                              > > > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up
                              and
                              > > march in
                              > > > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something
                              > > played the piano.
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as
                              well. I
                              > > went
                              > > > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning
                              for
                              > > me.
                              > > > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and
                              4 AM.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was
                              one
                              > > older
                              > > > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their
                              father
                              > > > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can
                              see
                              > > > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going
                              out
                              > > > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the
                              > > Ferry
                              > > > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his
                              name.
                              > > Wow
                              > > > > another deep memory.
                              > > >
                              > > > Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP
                              she
                              > > went with
                              > > > was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would
                              be
                              > > teased
                              > > > by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding
                              Bell
                              > > Blues.
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who
                              went
                              > > out
                              > > > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the
                              Guest
                              > > > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro
                              shop
                              > > one
                              > > > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair
                              from
                              > > the
                              > > > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There
                              was
                              > > a
                              > > > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way
                              > > between
                              > > > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under
                              the
                              > > > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain.
                              Both
                              > > of
                              > > > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                              > > >
                              > > > His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells,
                              every
                              > > once in
                              > > > a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and
                              it
                              > > always stops
                              > > > me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet
                              > > leaf reminiscences
                              > > > are few and far between....
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a
                              > > midget
                              > > > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used
                              to
                              > > see
                              > > > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.
                              > > >
                              > > > Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy,
                              > > Herman. Herman
                              > > > would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land
                              in
                              > > my back yard.
                              > > > He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his
                              ball.
                              > > Then I'd
                              > > > go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's.
                              Made
                              > > myself a
                              > > > little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find
                              in
                              > > the back yard,
                              > > > then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown
                              Royal
                              > > bag (Dad's, not
                              > > > mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside
                              the
                              > > entrance to the fort.
                              > > > Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I
                              > > always had money.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing
                              at
                              > > the O
                              > > > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                              > > >
                              > > > Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I
                              think.
                              > > Had the bzz harcut
                              > > > on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len
                              Barry
                              > > coming? ("1,2,3").
                              > > > They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.
                              > > >
                              > > > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the
                              > > smell of
                              > > > > the french fries there.
                              > > >
                              > > > Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone
                              now
                              > > according to
                              > > > some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the
                              > > Cafeteria and
                              > > > Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were
                              > > dropped for me inside the
                              > > > back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans.
                              The
                              > > old German
                              > > > guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the
                              > > manager, took good
                              > > > care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and
                              fresh
                              > > made donuts,
                              > > > on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those
                              old
                              > > guys.
                              > > >
                              > > > The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane,
                              > > when "Somebody to Love" came
                              > > > on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his
                              > > brother would sneak
                              > > > me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane
                              and
                              > > Buddy Guy. I
                              > > > was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead
                              I
                              > > got the loudest
                              > > > booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.
                              > > >
                              > > > As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till
                              you
                              > > can pay your
                              > > > own way back".
                              > > >
                              > > > Steve
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I
                              can't
                              > > > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > Michael
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                              Carteret
                              > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                              > > > > > Mike -
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been
                              the
                              > > > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was
                              in
                              > > > > > one of my classes.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band
                              Leader
                              > > > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was
                              my
                              > > > > > first friend on the island.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the
                              parking
                              > > lot.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Steve
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to
                              > > Xavier in
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > > > city.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you
                              were
                              > > > > thinking
                              > > > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his
                              > > mother
                              > > > > but
                              > > > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in
                              Cape
                              > > May NJ
                              > > > > > > but no luck there either.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along
                              with
                              > > Doug
                              > > > > > > Welliver.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I
                              > > must
                              > > > > have
                              > > > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are
                              > > very
                              > > > > fuzzy.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > > > Michael
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                              > > Carteret
                              > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                              > > > > > > > Mike,
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts
                              and I
                              > > > > remember
                              > > > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on
                              your
                              > > > > team
                              > > > > > > then,
                              > > > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry
                              Harwood
                              > > were
                              > > > > on
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad
                              was
                              > > > > > > Comissary
                              > > > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                              > > > > sponsorship.
                              > > > > > > Cott
                              > > > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                              > > > > remember it
                              > > > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings,
                              or
                              > > maybe
                              > > > > > > Colts,
                              > > > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a
                              > > pretty,
                              > > > > but
                              > > > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the
                              island a
                              > > lot
                              > > > > > > during those
                              > > > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Steve
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and
                              John
                              > > > > Hokoana.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought
                              some
                              > > > > > > interesting
                              > > > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                              de
                              > > > > Carteret
                              > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > > Hey Mike -
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names
                              come
                              > > back
                              > > > > from
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > first and
                              > > > > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think.
                              The
                              > > > > > > Henderson's
                              > > > > > > > > were neighbors
                              > > > > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked
                              together.
                              > > Saw
                              > > > > them
                              > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > NoCal about
                              > > > > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces
                              lived
                              > > > > across
                              > > > > > > from
                              > > > > > > > > us, funny you
                              > > > > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't
                              pull
                              > > > > out - I
                              > > > > > > > > remember Debbie,
                              > > > > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my
                              flag
                              > > > > football
                              > > > > > > team,
                              > > > > > > > > along with
                              > > > > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the
                              > > plays,
                              > > > > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                              > > > > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                              > > > > remember
                              > > > > > > Eddie
                              > > > > > > > > Otero. Also
                              > > > > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived
                              over
                              > > in
                              > > > > 555,
                              > > > > > > near
                              > > > > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                              > > > > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was
                              about
                              > > the
                              > > > > time
                              > > > > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                              > > > > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords.
                              I
                              > > don't
                              > > > > > > remember
                              > > > > > > > > if he stayed around
                              > > > > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I
                              can
                              > > get
                              > > > > one
                              > > > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > > my students to fire
                              > > > > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site
                              up
                              > > and
                              > > > > we
                              > > > > > > can
                              > > > > > > > > start collecting signups...
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Steve
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad
                              roller
                              > > > > blading
                              > > > > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I
                              > > talked
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > him
                              > > > > > > > > about
                              > > > > > > > > > > a year before he died.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-
                              west
                              > > > > > > somewhere.
                              > > > > > > > > Helen
                              > > > > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of
                              emails
                              > > with
                              > > > > > > here
                              > > > > > > > > after
                              > > > > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and
                              mother
                              > > > > (Jesse)
                              > > > > > > have
                              > > > > > > > > > > passed on.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a
                              very
                              > > > > > > successful
                              > > > > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her
                              in a
                              > > > > while.
                              > > > > > > Last
                              > > > > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California.
                              I
                              > > just
                              > > > > got
                              > > > > > > a
                              > > > > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister)
                              which
                              > > was
                              > > > > > > Paul
                              > > > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed
                              away
                              > > late
                              > > > > last
                              > > > > > > > > year.
                              > > > > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's
                              over
                              > > on
                              > > > > > > Staten
                              > > > > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few
                              > > emails
                              > > > > but
                              > > > > > > lost
                              > > > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie
                              Otero,
                              > > Meg
                              > > > > > > > > Mitchell
                              > > > > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg
                              Blair,
                              > > Jose
                              > > > > Rosa,
                              > > > > > > > > Cathy
                              > > > > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister
                              > > Leslie),
                              > > > > Ben
                              > > > > > > > > Joyce,
                              > > > > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I
                              actually
                              > > have a
                              > > > > > > copy of
                              > > > > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for
                              > > sharing
                              > > > > it
                              > > > > > > here.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com,
                              Steve
                              > > de
                              > > > > > > Carteret
                              > > > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm.
                              > > Harding
                              > > > > at
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first
                              > > admiral
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > occupy
                              > > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals,
                              but
                              > > I
                              > > > > > > remember
                              > > > > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                              > > > > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't
                              recall
                              > > him
                              > > > > > > living
                              > > > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                              > > > > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house,
                              though.
                              > > My
                              > > > > Dad
                              > > > > > > worked
                              > > > > > > > > for
                              > > > > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                              > > > > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with
                              > > Bill.
                              > > > > His
                              > > > > > > Mom
                              > > > > > > > > was a
                              > > > > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral
                              inbetween
                              > > > > Harding
                              > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a
                              year.
                              > > His
                              > > > > name
                              > > > > > > > > escaped
                              > > > > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time.
                              Wasn't
                              > > Rea
                              > > > > > > cause
                              > > > > > > > > they
                              > > > > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are
                              > > several
                              > > > > > > > > brothers
                              > > > > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of
                              them).
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of
                              Nolan
                              > > Park
                              > > > > > > next
                              > > > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                              > > > > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a
                              year
                              > > > > older
                              > > > > > > was on
                              > > > > > > > > my
                              > > > > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                              > > > > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have
                              passed
                              > > > > away.
                              > > > > > > They
                              > > > > > > > > were
                              > > > > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                              > > > > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name
                              > > before,
                              > > > > but
                              > > > > > > it
                              > > > > > > > > WAS
                              > > > > > > > > > > the late '60s!
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------
                              -
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-
                              > > kindling
                              > > > > some
                              > > > > > > > > cool
                              > > > > > > > > > > memories,
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families
                              first
                              > > > > started
                              > > > > > > moving
                              > > > > > > > > > > onto the
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for
                              > > Governor's
                              > > > > > > Island,
                              > > > > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our
                              > > quarters.
                              > > > > Ours
                              > > > > > > was
                              > > > > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers,
                              and
                              > > > > forget
                              > > > > > > what
                              > > > > > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > > > had for
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when
                              you
                              > > came
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > work.
                              > > > > > > > > > > Later, the
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first
                              the
                              > > > > prefix
                              > > > > > > was
                              > > > > > > > > 344
                              > > > > > > > > > > (ours was
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-
                              1158).
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                              > > > > assigned to
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > Customs House,
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the
                              SI
                              > > Ferry
                              > > > > > > > > Terminal
                              > > > > > > > > > > and Battery
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for?
                              I
                              > > seem
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > recall
                              > > > > > > > > > > the first
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm.
                              Pfeiffer,
                              > > or
                              > > > > maybe
                              > > > > > > > > Adm.
                              > > > > > > > > > > Whalen? When
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were
                              temporarily
                              > > > > assigned
                              > > > > > > 612-
                              > > > > > > > > D
                              > > > > > > > > > > in the old
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort
                              became
                              > > > > > > available.
                              > > > > > > > > > > During our few
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm.
                              Whalen
                              > > > > > > temporarily
                              > > > > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating
                              rank
                              > > of
                              > > > > Capt
                              > > > > > > at
                              > > > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > time....
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting
                              > > school
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > running
                              > > > > > > > > > > through the
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us.
                              Did
                              > > > > anyone do
                              > > > > > > > > well in
                              > > > > > > > > > > school there?
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our
                              family
                              > > was
                              > > > > sent
                              > > > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > > > Germany, since there
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being
                              > > built
                              > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > Germany
                              > > > > > > > > > > and Holland that
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                              > > > > > > construction. We
                              > > > > > > > > got
                              > > > > > > > > > > assigned
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even
                              > > though
                              > > > > Dad
                              > > > > > > was
                              > > > > > > > > > > officially attatched
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in
                              > > Bremen. I
                              > > > > > > ended up
                              > > > > > > > > > > going to a DoD
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a
                              change
                              > > > > from
                              > > > > > > 6,000
                              > > > > > > > > at
                              > > > > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School.
                              My
                              > > point
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > all
                              > > > > > > > > this
                              > > > > > > > > > > is around the
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are
                              > > actually
                              > > > > lucky,
                              > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > that
                              > > > > > > > > > > it will always
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the
                              same,
                              > > still
                              > > > > > > > > accessible.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years
                              ago
                              > > to
                              > > > > take
                              > > > > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was
                              closed,
                              > > the
                              > > > > > > Americans
                              > > > > > > > > were
                              > > > > > > > > > > gone, the housing
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I
                              > > managed to
                              > > > > > > talk my
                              > > > > > > > > way
                              > > > > > > > > > > onto the base
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent
                              > > after
                              > > > > all
                              > > > > > > these
                              > > > > > > > > > > years, and it was
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up
                              buildings,
                              > > no
                              > > > > cars,
                              > > > > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I
                              recalled.
                              > > Not
                              > > > > > > > > altogether a
                              > > > > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                              > > > > overseas,
                              > > > > > > who
                              > > > > > > > > have
                              > > > > > > > > > > even less to
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed,
                              housing
                              > > > > > > developments
                              > > > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > > > their places.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back
                              to.
                              > > So,
                              > > > > I
                              > > > > > > guess
                              > > > > > > > > > > there is something
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can
                              be
                              > > > > thankful
                              > > > > > > for.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed
                              through
                              > > this
                              > > > > > > ramble
                              > > > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > > > have a broadband
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat.
                              This
                              > > is
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > brochure
                              > > > > > > > > > > the Army produced
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the
                              island
                              > > looked
                              > > > > > > when I
                              > > > > > > > > > > moved there. I have
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my
                              web
                              > > > > server,
                              > > > > > > but I
                              > > > > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas
                              for
                              > > photo
                              > > > > > > > > galleries
                              > > > > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene
                              Youngman
                              > > for
                              > > > > > > sending
                              > > > > > > > > me
                              > > > > > > > > > > this piece!
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read
                              it.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over.
                              I
                              > > was
                              > > > > just
                              > > > > > > > > sitting
                              > > > > > > > > > > back
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting
                              involved
                              > > in
                              > > > > that
                              > > > > > > > > one.
                              > > > > > > > > > > Too messy
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me.
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the
                              > > Island.
                              > > > > We
                              > > > > > > still
                              > > > > > > > > > > have (yes us
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the
                              book
                              > > they
                              > > > > gave
                              > > > > > > us
                              > > > > > > > > when
                              > > > > > > > > > > we
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the
                              > > dedication
                              > > > > of
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > school to
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all
                              the
                              > > > > > > important
                              > > > > > > > > phone
                              > > > > > > > > > > numbers
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were
                              all
                              > > 212-
                              > > > > 825-
                              > > > > > > > > XXXX.
                              > > > > > > > > > > It always
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also
                              have
                              > > a
                              > > > > > > photocopy
                              > > > > > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > > > > a gazette
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the
                              CG
                              > > was
                              > > > > > > leaving
                              > > > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > > Island. I
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it.
                              And a
                              > > > > > > newpaper
                              > > > > > > > > > > article that
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I
                              gave
                              > > > > copies
                              > > > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > > these
                              > > > > > > > > > > to that
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a
                              book
                              > > about
                              > > > > GI.
                              > > > > > > I
                              > > > > > > > > guess
                              > > > > > > > > > > I could
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but
                              where
                              > > > > would I
                              > > > > > > > > send it?
                              > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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                            • Debbie Hart
                              Yep - Cathy from the City - maybe Staten Island, wasn t she? ... From: semiauto_guy To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005
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                                Yep - Cathy from the City - maybe Staten Island, wasn't she?
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: semiauto_guy
                                To: governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:25 AM
                                Subject: Re: [Governors Island Brats] Hello


                                I do remember Peter Rotolo. He had a brother as well. I was active
                                in the Rod and Gun Club with Peter's dad. Peter and I were in the
                                choir over at the Episcopal Church. Mr. Robinson the choir
                                master. What a task master he was.

                                Choir would do a little Christmas show over at the O club for the
                                ladies. I remember Peter doing a solo.

                                What a trip down memory lane this has been.

                                Here's one for you. I think this girl went out with Gary
                                Stephenson. Blond, short hair, glasses. Want to say her name was
                                Cathy. I can see her just can't put a name with the face. I'm
                                trying to remember where she lived.

                                Michael

                                --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                                <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                > Hah! Now the recollections are getting a bit depraved. Were you
                                > referring to the Gerblicks? Air Force guy from the SAR school?
                                > Wife Claudia, daughter Diana? Can't remember his first name, but
                                > they were always over at the Busby's house next door. You remember
                                > Debbie, right? Fun times, the 60s. I won't ask if you won't...
                                >
                                > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > Steve,
                                > >
                                > > Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry ride. I never
                                > > wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was ineveitable,
                                > > there was always this thought that things would always remain
                                the
                                > > same (how unrealistic).
                                > >
                                > > GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it was for a lot
                                of
                                > > people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then moved into
                                the
                                > > city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969. I stayed
                                with
                                > > anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's (Mrs. Welliver
                                gave
                                > > me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I played tennis
                                with
                                > > the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife - don't
                                ask -
                                > > too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one night (I
                                think he
                                > > felt sorry for me).
                                > >
                                > > Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got busted by
                                > > Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting, Brad Morton
                                and
                                > > myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I fiddle
                                around
                                > > after high school for a couple of years. I join the Air Force
                                in
                                > > late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner before I
                                answer
                                > > the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time and don't
                                worry
                                > > about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure what you're
                                > > talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive on the
                                phone. I
                                > > stopped and saw him after I got out of basic training. He
                                looked
                                > > the same just more mellow.
                                > >
                                > > Where is Lisa Hobdy???
                                > >
                                > > Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would have with the
                                CG
                                > > guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing baseball
                                against
                                > > some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by Ligget Hall
                                (the
                                > > one across the street, not the small field behind the building
                                and
                                > > moved out to the field there towards the end of the island (past
                                the
                                > > old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).
                                >
                                > I lived for baseball back then. Seems every Saturday I was walking
                                > up to Herman's Sporting Goods (110 Nassau Street!) a couple of
                                blocks
                                > past Washington's statue in front of the Fed reserve. Used to go
                                to
                                > a lot of Yankee games back then $1.50 for Gen Adm to the third
                                deck,
                                > before the renovation, and the foul lines were still 299 and 301.
                                After
                                > the second inning, the 80 year old drunks in the Uncle Sam
                                costumes acting
                                > as ushers for the box seats would not off, and we'd sneak into
                                seats
                                > right on the rail. The Yanks sucked in 67 and 68, so this was no
                                problem.
                                > You earned the "pig of the day" honors if you could eat about $5
                                worth
                                > of concession foods (hot dogs only $.45). Nowadays you can barely
                                get
                                > a soda for 5 bucks. We'd go early to watch BP, and soon enough
                                realized that
                                > if you positioned yourself in the empty seats near the left field
                                foul pole,
                                > you could almost always come up with a one hopper into the
                                stands. I'd come
                                > back from games almost always with a ball in my hand. Herman
                                would be working
                                > the ferry, and was always amazed, "You got ANOTHER foul
                                ball!!!!". I never let on.
                                >
                                > >
                                > > Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about all this
                                stuff.
                                > > Ignacio was the catylyst.
                                > >
                                > > Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...
                                >
                                > Carol. In my class, and very bawdy. Earlier Deb mentioned the
                                Grays, and their
                                > sister WAS Margaret. She and Carol Paquette were good friends.
                                >
                                > > Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who worked over in
                                the
                                > > bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB back in 1975
                                (that
                                > > is 30 years ago - YIKES).
                                >
                                > Interesting you mentioned him, after my last post I was picturing
                                the guy,
                                > then his name popped up. Also picture his Mom, too, but I'd
                                forgotten her
                                > name. I remember John from Boy Scouts. He was in the "Rat
                                Patrol", and
                                > we were the Wolverines with Scott Austin and Joseph Russell - you
                                remember his
                                > dad, the Umpire, right? John was one hell of a bowler. As good a
                                hang out
                                > place as the new bowling alley was, that old 8 lane place next to
                                Capeharts
                                > was pretty cool.
                                >
                                > Morton's German Shepherds? One named Baron I recall.
                                >
                                > Chaplain Hardman's pair of Izetta's? (Cars, folks)
                                >
                                > And speaking of ferrys, the old Gen Wm. H. Hart? The firetrap....
                                >
                                > Were you in Rod & Gun club with Peter Rotolo when his dad ran it?
                                After the
                                > Army abandoned Bldg. 400, that climb up into the attic was done
                                with flash
                                > lights, and there were massive holes in the floors. Very spooky.
                                >
                                > One of the lasting memories of the island were the bugle calls. I
                                was especially
                                > fond of Tattoo which was played at 9PM. I don't think the CG kept
                                that one.
                                > It was also fun watching the Army officers coming home duck into
                                the house at
                                > 5:05PM so as not to get caught standing attention for retreat. I
                                mean, they would RUN.
                                > It was fun to watch, even then.
                                >
                                > Steve
                                >
                                > I was working at the movie theatre (ran
                                > > the projector) and who walks in the door one night but Gina
                                > > Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the O club there
                                and
                                > > who comes through the line one night but Capt and Mrs Jennings
                                (Pat,
                                > > Karen and ..... brain fade).
                                > >
                                > > Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still running :-)
                                > >
                                > > Michael
                                > >
                                > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de Carteret
                                > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                > > > Mike
                                > > > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you through
                                John. I
                                > > do know that
                                > > > I remember you on the island when I first arrived. John lived
                                > > right behind
                                > > > that old green building that housed the dry cleaner, and I
                                lived
                                > > in the longer
                                > > > building next to John's, but toward the seawall. He taught me
                                all
                                > > the "New York"
                                > > > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me a copy ot
                                the
                                > > Beatles' "A Hard
                                > > > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year - still have
                                > > it. I remember
                                > > > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they left. It
                                was a
                                > > tradition I
                                > > > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with Sonny, too,
                                > > though more so with John.
                                > > > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along with another
                                guy
                                > > Steve who lived
                                > > > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say Talbot, or
                                Corbett, or
                                > > something.
                                > > >
                                > > > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and 112, the
                                staockade
                                > > and Bldg 400,
                                > > > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time. One
                                morning as
                                > > I delivered the
                                > > > paper to a company office in one of the stairwells, I saw one
                                of
                                > > my classmate's
                                > > > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of his lungs
                                > > actually. Very uncomfortable
                                > > > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van Wagner, his
                                daughter
                                > > Susan was in my class
                                > > > and I think she had an older brother.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > > Hi Steve,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio. This was
                                either
                                > > a
                                > > > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John and I
                                went
                                > > to
                                > > > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day Kennedy was
                                > > > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close the Fire
                                > > Station.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there. Mrs.
                                > > Bernstein
                                > > > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker system
                                > > coming
                                > > > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that for a
                                long
                                > > time.
                                > > > > Too weird.
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked her a lot. I
                                got
                                > > stuck with
                                > > > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember the "white
                                > > shirt fridays"
                                > > > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had to line up
                                and
                                > > march in
                                > > > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs. Rhein-something
                                > > played the piano.
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island as
                                well. I
                                > > went
                                > > > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the morning
                                for
                                > > me.
                                > > > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts between 3 and
                                4 AM.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names. There was
                                one
                                > > older
                                > > > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ. Their
                                father
                                > > > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey Shore. I can
                                see
                                > > > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl was going
                                out
                                > > > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him at the
                                > > Ferry
                                > > > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember his
                                name.
                                > > Wow
                                > > > > another deep memory.
                                > > >
                                > > > Linda was my age, and her older sister was Georgeann. The SP
                                she
                                > > went with
                                > > > was named Bill. I only remember that because Georgeann would
                                be
                                > > teased
                                > > > by people singing the refrain from Fifth Dimension's Wedding
                                Bell
                                > > Blues.
                                > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall guy who
                                went
                                > > out
                                > > > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over at the
                                Guest
                                > > > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at the pro
                                shop
                                > > one
                                > > > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the stair
                                from
                                > > the
                                > > > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts. There
                                was
                                > > a
                                > > > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about half way
                                > > between
                                > > > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled up under
                                the
                                > > > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the rain.
                                Both
                                > > of
                                > > > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                                > > >
                                > > > His brother Gary was in my class. And speaking of smells,
                                every
                                > > once in
                                > > > a while I catch that oh-so-familiar scent of wet leaves, and
                                it
                                > > always stops
                                > > > me for a moment. Here in Colorado it's pretty dry, so the wet
                                > > leaf reminiscences
                                > > > are few and far between....
                                > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry? There was a
                                > > midget
                                > > > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great guy. Used
                                to
                                > > see
                                > > > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show business.
                                > > >
                                > > > Mickey! Sure do, what a guy. And the cheapskate golfer guy,
                                > > Herman. Herman
                                > > > would slice his drives coming off the #2 tee, and they'd land
                                in
                                > > my back yard.
                                > > > He'd be back there for seemingly an hour trying to find his
                                ball.
                                > > Then I'd
                                > > > go out after he'd gone, and usually find it, or someone's.
                                Made
                                > > myself a
                                > > > little job out of that. Carried all the golf balls I'd find
                                in
                                > > the back yard,
                                > > > then scour the moat after hours. Put them all in a Crown
                                Royal
                                > > bag (Dad's, not
                                > > > mine) and sell used golf balls on the ninth tee right outside
                                the
                                > > entrance to the fort.
                                > > > Between that and bagging groceries at the Comissary, seems I
                                > > always had money.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and playing
                                at
                                > > the O
                                > > > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                                > > >
                                > > > Don Danneman of the Cyrkle was in the CG at the time, I
                                think.
                                > > Had the bzz harcut
                                > > > on the first album cover and all. Do you also remember Len
                                Barry
                                > > coming? ("1,2,3").
                                > > > They promoted the hell out of that over the loud speakers.
                                > > >
                                > > > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags and the
                                > > smell of
                                > > > > the french fries there.
                                > > >
                                > > > Oh, yeah, the Flags. What a hangout. The building is gone
                                now
                                > > according to
                                > > > some of the sat photos I've seen. Anyone know how or when the
                                > > Cafeteria and
                                > > > Three Flags disappeared? The papers for my paper route were
                                > > dropped for me inside the
                                > > > back door of the cafeteria, right next to the garbage cans.
                                The
                                > > old German
                                > > > guys in there, Mr. Miller the donutmaker, and Mr. Frank the
                                > > manager, took good
                                > > > care of me and brought me in every morning for coffee and
                                fresh
                                > > made donuts,
                                > > > on the house. They were kind and very funny, I loved those
                                old
                                > > guys.
                                > > >
                                > > > The flags was where I first heard Jefferson Airplane,
                                > > when "Somebody to Love" came
                                > > > on the juke. Later a buddy of mine (Stuyvesant Town) and his
                                > > brother would sneak
                                > > > me into the Fillmore East for my first concert, the Airplane
                                and
                                > > Buddy Guy. I
                                > > > was thinking the folky band from Surrealistic Pillow, instead
                                I
                                > > got the loudest
                                > > > booming trip of all time. And, well the rest is history.
                                > > >
                                > > > As my late friend Jerry used to say, "You ain't nowhere till
                                you
                                > > can pay your
                                > > > own way back".
                                > > >
                                > > > Steve
                                > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car ... I
                                can't
                                > > > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Regards,
                                > > > > Michael
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                                Carteret
                                > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                > > > > > Mike -
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might have been
                                the
                                > > > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon who was
                                in
                                > > > > > one of my classes.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the Band
                                Leader
                                > > > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village, and was
                                my
                                > > > > > first friend on the island.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest House?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in the
                                parking
                                > > lot.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Steve
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up going to
                                > > Xavier in
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > > city.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's who you
                                were
                                > > > > thinking
                                > > > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96. Got his
                                > > mother
                                > > > > but
                                > > > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost weird.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who lives in
                                Cape
                                > > May NJ
                                > > > > > > but no luck there either.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit. Along
                                with
                                > > Doug
                                > > > > > > Welliver.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty good. I
                                > > must
                                > > > > have
                                > > > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my recollections are
                                > > very
                                > > > > fuzzy.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Regards,
                                > > > > > > Michael
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve de
                                > > Carteret
                                > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                > > > > > > > Mike,
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the Colts
                                and I
                                > > > > remember
                                > > > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have been on
                                your
                                > > > > team
                                > > > > > > then,
                                > > > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and Garry
                                Harwood
                                > > were
                                > > > > on
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals - his Dad
                                was
                                > > > > > > Comissary
                                > > > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food company
                                > > > > sponsorship.
                                > > > > > > Cott
                                > > > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool jackets. I
                                > > > > remember it
                                > > > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis Vikings,
                                or
                                > > maybe
                                > > > > > > Colts,
                                > > > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor. Jamie had a
                                > > pretty,
                                > > > > but
                                > > > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit the
                                island a
                                > > lot
                                > > > > > > during those
                                > > > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Steve
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind somewhere.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie Lombard and
                                John
                                > > > > Hokoana.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben bought
                                some
                                > > > > > > interesting
                                > > > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all my fault.
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Thanks for the new names!
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                                de
                                > > > > Carteret
                                > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                > > > > > > > > > Hey Mike -
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > I remember Chip Thomas. Big guy. These names
                                come
                                > > back
                                > > > > from
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > first and
                                > > > > > > > > > second year of flag football, 66 and 67 I think.
                                The
                                > > > > > > Henderson's
                                > > > > > > > > were neighbors
                                > > > > > > > > > of ours in the Fort, and our dads worked
                                together.
                                > > Saw
                                > > > > them
                                > > > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > NoCal about
                                > > > > > > > > > '69 or so after they'd left the island. Joyces
                                lived
                                > > > > across
                                > > > > > > from
                                > > > > > > > > us, funny you
                                > > > > > > > > > mention Ben, he was the one whose name I couldn't
                                pull
                                > > > > out - I
                                > > > > > > > > remember Debbie,
                                > > > > > > > > > Steve and Libby. Leroy Rathbun was also on my
                                flag
                                > > > > football
                                > > > > > > team,
                                > > > > > > > > along with
                                > > > > > > > > > Rob Koisch and Rob Zinck. Koisch would call the
                                > > plays,
                                > > > > > > > > often "Leroy go long and
                                > > > > > > > > > everyone else block". We won it all that year. I
                                > > > > remember
                                > > > > > > Eddie
                                > > > > > > > > Otero. Also
                                > > > > > > > > > John Hokoana, Mike Coufal. Garry Harwood lived
                                over
                                > > in
                                > > > > 555,
                                > > > > > > near
                                > > > > > > > > Jamie Lombard.
                                > > > > > > > > > I remember hanging out over there a lot, it was
                                about
                                > > the
                                > > > > time
                                > > > > > > > > Sgt. Pepper came
                                > > > > > > > > > out, and Garry actually knew some of the chords.
                                I
                                > > don't
                                > > > > > > remember
                                > > > > > > > > if he stayed around
                                > > > > > > > > > much after his mom's suicide.
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the pamphlet, it is a gem. If I
                                can
                                > > get
                                > > > > one
                                > > > > > > of
                                > > > > > > > > my students to fire
                                > > > > > > > > > up a login page/SQL database, I will put the site
                                up
                                > > and
                                > > > > we
                                > > > > > > can
                                > > > > > > > > start collecting signups...
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Always too many things to do...
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > Steve
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > David Rea passed away about 3 years ago. Bad
                                roller
                                > > > > blading
                                > > > > > > > > > > accident in San Francisco - skater meets car. I
                                > > talked
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > him
                                > > > > > > > > about
                                > > > > > > > > > > a year before he died.
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > I think Rob is a heart surgeon up in the mid-
                                west
                                > > > > > > somewhere.
                                > > > > > > > > Helen
                                > > > > > > > > > > is married and happy. Exchanged a couple of
                                emails
                                > > with
                                > > > > > > here
                                > > > > > > > > after
                                > > > > > > > > > > David died. I believe both the father and
                                mother
                                > > > > (Jesse)
                                > > > > > > have
                                > > > > > > > > > > passed on.
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Mel (the cousin - Admiral Rea's daughter) is a
                                very
                                > > > > > > successful
                                > > > > > > > > > > attorney down in Miami. Haven't talked to her
                                in a
                                > > > > while.
                                > > > > > > Last
                                > > > > > > > > > > time was after Brad Morton died.
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Billy Rea (Mel's brother) is out in California.
                                I
                                > > just
                                > > > > got
                                > > > > > > a
                                > > > > > > > > > > picture from Norine Dobay (Paul Dobays sister)
                                which
                                > > was
                                > > > > > > Paul
                                > > > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > > > Billy from the Rod and Gun club. Paul passed
                                away
                                > > late
                                > > > > last
                                > > > > > > > > year.
                                > > > > > > > > > > I talked to him last June.
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember Chip Thomas? I think he's
                                over
                                > > on
                                > > > > > > Staten
                                > > > > > > > > > > Island still. Retired from the CG. Had a few
                                > > emails
                                > > > > but
                                > > > > > > lost
                                > > > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > address (short from keyboard to ground).
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Anyone of these people sound familiar - Eddie
                                Otero,
                                > > Meg
                                > > > > > > > > Mitchell
                                > > > > > > > > > > (think her brother was Billy), Gypsy, Greg
                                Blair,
                                > > Jose
                                > > > > Rosa,
                                > > > > > > > > Cathy
                                > > > > > > > > > > Schultz, Gary Harwood, Clark Henderson (sister
                                > > Leslie),
                                > > > > Ben
                                > > > > > > > > Joyce,
                                > > > > > > > > > > Leroy Rathburn????
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Hey great pamphlet. I downloaded it. I
                                actually
                                > > have a
                                > > > > > > copy of
                                > > > > > > > > > > this somewhere in my parents stuff. Thanks for
                                > > sharing
                                > > > > it
                                > > > > > > here.
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > Michael Simmons
                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com,
                                Steve
                                > > de
                                > > > > > > Carteret
                                > > > > > > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > --- dhart@c... wrote:
                                > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey ya, Steve!
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > I called my dad - he said he worked for Adm.
                                > > Harding
                                > > > > at
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > Customs House but worked for Adm.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Whalen on the base - said he was the first
                                > > admiral
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > occupy
                                > > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1. He didn't think Pfeiffer
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > made admiral, but he could be mistaken.
                                > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > I seem to recall them both becoming Admirals,
                                but
                                > > I
                                > > > > > > remember
                                > > > > > > > > > > Pfeiffer living in 403 at the end of
                                > > > > > > > > > > > Colonel's Row next to the Pro Shop, I don't
                                recall
                                > > him
                                > > > > > > living
                                > > > > > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > > > Qtrs. 1 at all. I do remember
                                > > > > > > > > > > > seeing Adm. Whalen's name on the house,
                                though.
                                > > My
                                > > > > Dad
                                > > > > > > worked
                                > > > > > > > > for
                                > > > > > > > > > > Capt. (later Adm.)Rea
                                > > > > > > > > > > > in Marine Inspection, and I was friends with
                                > > Bill.
                                > > > > His
                                > > > > > > Mom
                                > > > > > > > > was a
                                > > > > > > > > > > kick in the pants.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, there was also another admiral
                                inbetween
                                > > > > Harding
                                > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > > > Whalen that never moved to the
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Island either - and was only there for a
                                year.
                                > > His
                                > > > > name
                                > > > > > > > > escaped
                                > > > > > > > > > > him, but he had a brother that
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > was stationed in D.C. at the same time.
                                Wasn't
                                > > Rea
                                > > > > > > cause
                                > > > > > > > > they
                                > > > > > > > > > > were personal friends, and he
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > would have remembered him. I know there are
                                > > several
                                > > > > > > > > brothers
                                > > > > > > > > > > that were high ranking officers at
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > the same time - like the Rea's were (3 of
                                them).
                                > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > One of the brothers lived at the far end of
                                Nolan
                                > > Park
                                > > > > > > next
                                > > > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > second tee box. There were at
                                > > > > > > > > > > > least two kids, Helen was my age and David a
                                year
                                > > > > older
                                > > > > > > was on
                                > > > > > > > > my
                                > > > > > > > > > > flag football team. I remember
                                > > > > > > > > > > > hearing not too long ago that he may have
                                passed
                                > > > > away.
                                > > > > > > They
                                > > > > > > > > were
                                > > > > > > > > > > all pretty quirky. I had never
                                > > > > > > > > > > > heard kids call their mother by her first name
                                > > before,
                                > > > > but
                                > > > > > > it
                                > > > > > > > > WAS
                                > > > > > > > > > > the late '60s!
                                > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > These memories are so much fun to relive!
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------
                                -
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the phone numbers. You've all been re-
                                > > kindling
                                > > > > some
                                > > > > > > > > cool
                                > > > > > > > > > > memories,
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > so here's some more.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > In the summer of 65 when us CG families
                                first
                                > > > > started
                                > > > > > > moving
                                > > > > > > > > > > onto the
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > island, there was ONE phone number for
                                > > Governor's
                                > > > > > > Island,
                                > > > > > > > > > > WHitehall 2-4000.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > We all had four digit extensions in our
                                > > quarters.
                                > > > > Ours
                                > > > > > > was
                                > > > > > > > > > > 4267, funny how
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > you can remember 40 year old phone numbers,
                                and
                                > > > > forget
                                > > > > > > what
                                > > > > > > > > you
                                > > > > > > > > > > had for
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > dinner yesterday, or where you parked when
                                you
                                > > came
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > work.
                                > > > > > > > > > > Later, the
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > CG implemented private lines, and at first
                                the
                                > > > > prefix
                                > > > > > > was
                                > > > > > > > > 344
                                > > > > > > > > > > (ours was
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > 344-4098) then we moved to the 825 (825-
                                1158).
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dad was in Marine Inspection and was also
                                > > > > assigned to
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > Customs House,
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > then later to the COTP building between the
                                SI
                                > > Ferry
                                > > > > > > > > Terminal
                                > > > > > > > > > > and Battery
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Park. Deb, what Adm did your dad work for?
                                I
                                > > seem
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > recall
                                > > > > > > > > > > the first
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > CG Admiral to occupy Qtrs. 1 was Adm.
                                Pfeiffer,
                                > > or
                                > > > > maybe
                                > > > > > > > > Adm.
                                > > > > > > > > > > Whalen? When
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > we first got on the island, we were
                                temporarily
                                > > > > assigned
                                > > > > > > 612-
                                > > > > > > > > D
                                > > > > > > > > > > in the old
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Brick Village until quarters in the Fort
                                became
                                > > > > > > available.
                                > > > > > > > > > > During our few
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > months there, both Adm Pfeiffer and Adm.
                                Whalen
                                > > > > > > temporarily
                                > > > > > > > > > > occupied 612-F,
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > though I recall their nameplates indicating
                                rank
                                > > of
                                > > > > Capt
                                > > > > > > at
                                > > > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > time....
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Many of you have recalled stories of cutting
                                > > school
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > running
                                > > > > > > > > > > through the
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > city, and that seems common to all of us.
                                Did
                                > > > > anyone do
                                > > > > > > > > well in
                                > > > > > > > > > > school there?
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I didn't. When we left GI, our
                                family
                                > > was
                                > > > > sent
                                > > > > > > to
                                > > > > > > > > > > Germany, since there
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > were a large number of container ships being
                                > > built
                                > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > Germany
                                > > > > > > > > > > and Holland that
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > needed ongoing inspection by the CG during
                                > > > > > > construction. We
                                > > > > > > > > got
                                > > > > > > > > > > assigned
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > housing at an Army Base in Bremerhaven, even
                                > > though
                                > > > > Dad
                                > > > > > > was
                                > > > > > > > > > > officially attatched
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > to the MMD Office in the US Consulate in
                                > > Bremen. I
                                > > > > > > ended up
                                > > > > > > > > > > going to a DoD
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > High School there in Bremerhaven, quite a
                                change
                                > > > > from
                                > > > > > > 6,000
                                > > > > > > > > at
                                > > > > > > > > > > Brooklyn Tech
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > to 92 in Bremerhaven American High School.
                                My
                                > > point
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > > all
                                > > > > > > > > this
                                > > > > > > > > > > is around the
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > talk of our "home" disappearing. We are
                                > > actually
                                > > > > lucky,
                                > > > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > that
                                > > > > > > > > > > it will always
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > be there, and while not necessarily the
                                same,
                                > > still
                                > > > > > > > > accessible.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > I went back to Bremerhaven a number of years
                                ago
                                > > to
                                > > > > take
                                > > > > > > > > > > pictures prior to a big
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > reunion we were having. The base was
                                closed,
                                > > the
                                > > > > > > Americans
                                > > > > > > > > were
                                > > > > > > > > > > gone, the housing
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > given back to the city of Bremerhaven. I
                                > > managed to
                                > > > > > > talk my
                                > > > > > > > > way
                                > > > > > > > > > > onto the base
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > by cajoling the German guards, still fluent
                                > > after
                                > > > > all
                                > > > > > > these
                                > > > > > > > > > > years, and it was
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > a windswept ghost town. Boarded up
                                buildings,
                                > > no
                                > > > > cars,
                                > > > > > > > > > > overgrown grass. Not
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > a trace of the smiling faces that I
                                recalled.
                                > > Not
                                > > > > > > > > altogether a
                                > > > > > > > > > > pleasant visit.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many brats out there, domestic and
                                > > > > overseas,
                                > > > > > > who
                                > > > > > > > > have
                                > > > > > > > > > > even less to
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > return to. Bases closed up, bulldozed,
                                housing
                                > > > > > > developments
                                > > > > > > > > in
                                > > > > > > > > > > their places.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Those people really have nothing to go back
                                to.
                                > > So,
                                > > > > I
                                > > > > > > guess
                                > > > > > > > > > > there is something
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > about the state of Governor's Island we can
                                be
                                > > > > thankful
                                > > > > > > for.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, for those of you who have stayed
                                through
                                > > this
                                > > > > > > ramble
                                > > > > > > > > and
                                > > > > > > > > > > have a broadband
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > connection, Ihave posted a little treat.
                                This
                                > > is
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > brochure
                                > > > > > > > > > > the Army produced
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > in early 1965. It was exactly how the
                                island
                                > > looked
                                > > > > > > when I
                                > > > > > > > > > > moved there. I have
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > this site name registered, and it is on my
                                web
                                > > > > server,
                                > > > > > > but I
                                > > > > > > > > > > have yet to do muh with
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > the site design, though I have some ideas
                                for
                                > > photo
                                > > > > > > > > galleries
                                > > > > > > > > > > and a sign up database.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > In time, I guess. My thanks to Darlene
                                Youngman
                                > > for
                                > > > > > > sending
                                > > > > > > > > me
                                > > > > > > > > > > this piece!
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fortjay.com/govisland.pdf
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > You will need Acrobat in some form to read
                                it.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kimthegibrat <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > wrote:
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am sure glad all the fuss is over.
                                I
                                > > was
                                > > > > just
                                > > > > > > > > sitting
                                > > > > > > > > > > back
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > watching. I was certainly not getting
                                involved
                                > > in
                                > > > > that
                                > > > > > > > > one.
                                > > > > > > > > > > Too messy
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me.
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyway~~~I do have some stuff from the
                                > > Island.
                                > > > > We
                                > > > > > > still
                                > > > > > > > > > > have (yes us
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnson's don't throw out anything) the
                                book
                                > > they
                                > > > > gave
                                > > > > > > us
                                > > > > > > > > when
                                > > > > > > > > > > we
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrived on GI. It has pictures from the
                                > > dedication
                                > > > > of
                                > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > school to
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > sledding on the golf course. It lists all
                                the
                                > > > > > > important
                                > > > > > > > > phone
                                > > > > > > > > > > numbers
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would ever need and you know they were
                                all
                                > > 212-
                                > > > > 825-
                                > > > > > > > > XXXX.
                                > > > > > > > > > > It always
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes me smile whenever I see it. We also
                                have
                                > > a
                                > > > > > > photocopy
                                > > > > > > > > of
                                > > > > > > > > > > a gazette
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > or something like it that was done as the
                                CG
                                > > was
                                > > > > > > leaving
                                > > > > > > > > the
                                > > > > > > > > > > Island. I
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > beleive it has a bunch of history in it.
                                And a
                                > > > > > > newpaper
                                > > > > > > > > > > article that
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > was written about GI in 1970 something. I
                                gave
                                > > > > copies
                                > > > > > > of
                                > > > > > > > > these
                                > > > > > > > > > > to that
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > woman, Ann, who said she was writting a
                                book
                                > > about
                                > > > > GI.
                                > > > > > > I
                                > > > > > > > > guess
                                > > > > > > > > > > I could
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > make other copis for the Parks Dept. but
                                where
                                > > > > would I
                                > > > > > > > > send it?
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim Johnson Czernikowski
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > >
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                              • Deanna Monaghan
                                Hey - i remember the Paquettes - hung out with Carol and the Dabrowski sisters. Anybody heard where they disappeared to? Dee ... === message truncated ===
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                                  Hey - i remember the Paquettes - hung out with Carol
                                  and the Dabrowski sisters. Anybody heard where they
                                  disappeared to?
                                  Dee

                                  --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@...> wrote:

                                  > Steve,
                                  >
                                  > Strange that you should mention the 'last' ferry
                                  > ride. I never
                                  > wanted anyone to leave. Even though I knew it was
                                  > ineveitable,
                                  > there was always this thought that things would
                                  > always remain the
                                  > same (how unrealistic).
                                  >
                                  > GI was a very special place for me (as I'm sure it
                                  > was for a lot of
                                  > people). We moved there in 1955 (I was 2) and then
                                  > moved into the
                                  > city in 1961. I basically stayed there until 1969.
                                  > I stayed with
                                  > anyone who would have me. Morton's, Welliver's
                                  > (Mrs. Welliver gave
                                  > me chores to do), Rea's (Jesse just fed me and I
                                  > played tennis with
                                  > the guys), Gerbers (Air Force guy with a french wife
                                  > - don't ask -
                                  > too weird). I even stayed at Chief Kleckner's one
                                  > night (I think he
                                  > felt sorry for me).
                                  >
                                  > Weird. It was either 67 or 68 when a few of us got
                                  > busted by
                                  > Kleckner for asian vegetation. It was Tom Whiting,
                                  > Brad Morton and
                                  > myself. Couple of others but can't remember. So, I
                                  > fiddle around
                                  > after high school for a couple of years. I join the
                                  > Air Force in
                                  > late 74. They ask the question. I call Kleckner
                                  > before I answer
                                  > the question. Kleckner says - Go have a good time
                                  > and don't worry
                                  > about it. Think his parting shot was - I'm not sure
                                  > what you're
                                  > talking about. Couldn't have been more supportive
                                  > on the phone. I
                                  > stopped and saw him after I got out of basic
                                  > training. He looked
                                  > the same just more mellow.
                                  >
                                  > Where is Lisa Hobdy???
                                  >
                                  > Do you remember the pickup baseball games we would
                                  > have with the CG
                                  > guys? Here's a bunch of 13-16 year olds playing
                                  > baseball against
                                  > some 19-20 year olds? Started in the ball field by
                                  > Ligget Hall (the
                                  > one across the street, not the small field behind
                                  > the building and
                                  > moved out to the field there towards the end of the
                                  > island (past the
                                  > old bowling alley down towards fog horn alley).
                                  >
                                  > Your memory's too good. You got me thinking about
                                  > all this stuff.
                                  > Ignacio was the catylyst.
                                  >
                                  > Geez - how about the Paquettes. Alan and ...
                                  >
                                  > Do we remember John Connor? His mom was Gina who
                                  > worked over in the
                                  > bowling alley? I was stationed at Homestead AFB
                                  > back in 1975 (that
                                  > is 30 years ago - YIKES). I was working at the
                                  > movie theatre (ran
                                  > the projector) and who walks in the door one night
                                  > but Gina
                                  > Connors. Nice to see her. Then I get a job at the
                                  > O club there and
                                  > who comes through the line one night but Capt and
                                  > Mrs Jennings (Pat,
                                  > Karen and ..... brain fade).
                                  >
                                  > Hmmm ... last ferry ride. Heard they're still
                                  > running :-)
                                  >
                                  > Michael
                                  >
                                  > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                                  > de Carteret
                                  > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                  > > Mike
                                  > > You know, I kind of thought that I first met you
                                  > through John. I
                                  > do know that
                                  > > I remember you on the island when I first arrived.
                                  > John lived
                                  > right behind
                                  > > that old green building that housed the dry
                                  > cleaner, and I lived
                                  > in the longer
                                  > > building next to John's, but toward the seawall.
                                  > He taught me all
                                  > the "New York"
                                  > > stuff, like handball against the wall. He gave me
                                  > a copy ot the
                                  > Beatles' "A Hard
                                  > > Days Night" album for my birthday that first year
                                  > - still have
                                  > it. I remember
                                  > > taking "the final ferry ride" with John when they
                                  > left. It was a
                                  > tradition I
                                  > > don't think we kept up with. I was friends with
                                  > Sonny, too,
                                  > though more so with John.
                                  > > He hooked me up with the paper route, too, along
                                  > with another guy
                                  > Steve who lived
                                  > > right next door to Ignacios. I want to say
                                  > Talbot, or Corbett, or
                                  > something.
                                  > >
                                  > > My paper route included Colonel's Row, 111 and
                                  > 112, the staockade
                                  > and Bldg 400,
                                  > > and it still housed the Army regiment at the time.
                                  > One morning as
                                  > I delivered the
                                  > > paper to a company office in one of the
                                  > stairwells, I saw one of
                                  > my classmate's
                                  > > fathers dress down a GI, screaming at the top of
                                  > his lungs
                                  > actually. Very uncomfortable
                                  > > moment for an 11 year old. It was Sgt. Van
                                  > Wagner, his daughter
                                  > Susan was in my class
                                  > > and I think she had an older brother.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > > Hi Steve,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio.
                                  > This was either
                                  > a
                                  > > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real.
                                  > John and I went
                                  > to
                                  > > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day
                                  > Kennedy was
                                  > > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village
                                  > close the Fire
                                  > Station.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade
                                  > there. Mrs.
                                  > Bernstein
                                  > > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the
                                  > speaker system
                                  > coming
                                  > > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about
                                  > that for a long
                                  > time.
                                  > > > Too weird.
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Sylvia Bernstein was a very nice lady. I liked
                                  > her a lot. I got
                                  > stuck with
                                  > > Mrs. Crowe, and boy did we butt heads. I remember
                                  > the "white
                                  > shirt fridays"
                                  > > when we had Assembly in the old PS 26 gym, and had
                                  > to line up and
                                  > march in
                                  > > to the strains of "The Happy Wanderer". Mrs.
                                  > Rhein-something
                                  > played the piano.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > John had a paper delivery route there on the
                                  > island as well. I
                                  > went
                                  > > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in
                                  > the morning for
                                  > me.
                                  > > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts
                                  > between 3 and 4 AM.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names.
                                  > There was one
                                  > older
                                  > > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ.
                                  > Their father
                                  > > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey
                                  > Shore. I can see
                                  > > > them but can't remember the names. The older
                                  > girl was going out
                                  > > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see
                                  > him at the
                                  > Ferry
                                  > > > all the time. I can see him but just can't
                                  > remember
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                                • Deanna Monaghan
                                  You are really starting to bring up some memories - worked in the 3 flags after school most of my time on the Island. Loved those french fries. Dee ... ===
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                                    You are really starting to bring up some memories -
                                    worked in the 3 flags after school most of my time on
                                    the Island. Loved those french fries.

                                    Dee

                                    --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@...> wrote:

                                    > Hi Steve,
                                    >
                                    > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio.
                                    > This was either a
                                    > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John
                                    > and I went to
                                    > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day
                                    > Kennedy was
                                    > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close
                                    > the Fire Station.
                                    >
                                    > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there.
                                    > Mrs. Bernstein
                                    > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker
                                    > system coming
                                    > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that
                                    > for a long time.
                                    > Too weird.
                                    >
                                    > John had a paper delivery route there on the island
                                    > as well. I went
                                    > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the
                                    > morning for me.
                                    > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts
                                    > between 3 and 4 AM.
                                    >
                                    > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names.
                                    > There was one older
                                    > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ.
                                    > Their father
                                    > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey
                                    > Shore. I can see
                                    > them but can't remember the names. The older girl
                                    > was going out
                                    > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him
                                    > at the Ferry
                                    > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember
                                    > his name. Wow
                                    > another deep memory.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall
                                    > guy who went out
                                    > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over
                                    > at the Guest
                                    > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at
                                    > the pro shop one
                                    > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the
                                    > stair from the
                                    > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts.
                                    > There was a
                                    > door to the desk area for the the guest house about
                                    > half way between
                                    > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled
                                    > up under the
                                    > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the
                                    > rain. Both of
                                    > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                                    >
                                    > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry?
                                    > There was a midget
                                    > there whose name I can't remember. What a great
                                    > guy. Used to see
                                    > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show
                                    > business.
                                    >
                                    > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and
                                    > playing at the O
                                    > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                                    >
                                    > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags
                                    > and the smell of
                                    > the french fries there.
                                    >
                                    > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car
                                    > ... I can't
                                    > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                                    >
                                    > Regards,
                                    > Michael
                                    >
                                    > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                                    > de Carteret
                                    > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                    > > Mike -
                                    > >
                                    > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might
                                    > have been the
                                    > > one from the Young Rascals.
                                    > >
                                    > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon
                                    > who was in
                                    > > one of my classes.
                                    > >
                                    > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the
                                    > Band Leader
                                    > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village,
                                    > and was my
                                    > > first friend on the island.
                                    > >
                                    > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest
                                    > House?
                                    > >
                                    > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in
                                    > the parking lot.
                                    > >
                                    > > Steve
                                    > >
                                    > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > Hi Steve,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up
                                    > going to Xavier in
                                    > the
                                    > > > city.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's
                                    > who you were
                                    > thinking
                                    > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96.
                                    > Got his mother
                                    > but
                                    > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost
                                    > weird.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who
                                    > lives in Cape May NJ
                                    > > > but no luck there either.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit.
                                    > Along with Doug
                                    > > > Welliver.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty
                                    > good. I must
                                    > have
                                    > > > spent too much time in Asia because my
                                    > recollections are very
                                    > fuzzy.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Regards,
                                    > > > Michael
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com,
                                    > Steve de Carteret
                                    > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                    > > > > Mike,
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the
                                    > Colts and I
                                    > remember
                                    > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have
                                    > been on your
                                    > team
                                    > > > then,
                                    > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and
                                    > Garry Harwood were
                                    > on
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals -
                                    > his Dad was
                                    > > > Comissary
                                    > > > > Officer, and started the league with food
                                    > company
                                    > sponsorship.
                                    > > > Cott
                                    > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool
                                    > jackets. I
                                    > remember it
                                    > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis
                                    > Vikings, or maybe
                                    > > > Colts,
                                    > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor.
                                    > Jamie had a pretty,
                                    > but
                                    > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit
                                    > the island a lot
                                    > > > during those
                                    > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Steve
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind
                                    > somewhere.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie
                                    > Lombard and John
                                    > Hokoana.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben
                                    > bought some
                                    > > > interesting
                                    > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all
                                    > my
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                                  • Stormie (Conger)
                                    Wow this is great - such memories I had forgot. Three Flags is where I hung out all the time - i think the french fries are the reason I have high cholesterol
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Jul 17, 2005
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                                      Wow this is great - such memories I had forgot. Three Flags is where
                                      I hung out all the time - i think the french fries are the reason I
                                      have high cholesterol now - I have always loved french fries ever
                                      since.(I think that is the same place I learned to smoke too - I
                                      think it was Vince that passed me a cigarette in there the first
                                      time I met him "He always used to call girls "Brauds" I just
                                      remembered after reading this that I worked at the O Club guest
                                      house for 3 years with Mary Eveld and several others. The best
                                      benefit was getting to eat the food upsatirs in the kitchen with the
                                      chef (he was a real nice black man from Jamaica? I think - I had my
                                      first taste of Lobster there) That is where I met Jeff Black too.I
                                      remember John Ignacio too and "Hokie" wasnt he Hawiaan? I have a
                                      picture I need to get scanned and posted. It has Hokie, Tom
                                      Fleischell and someone else in it sitting outside Hokie's place on
                                      the grass.

                                      Does anyone remember a weird thing we used to do out behind the old
                                      teen club?- Someone would stand behind you and you would pinch your
                                      nose and blow out your breath as hard as you could until you passed
                                      out and fell back and they would catch you and then several others
                                      would run there fingers down your arms - tickling you as you came
                                      to - and it felt like a great rush - a sorta high without drugs??
                                      Were we crazy back then or what?

                                      Stormie (Conger) Andrews

                                      --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Deanna Monaghan
                                      <deemon28@y...> wrote:
                                      > You are really starting to bring up some memories -
                                      > worked in the 3 flags after school most of my time on
                                      > the Island. Loved those french fries.
                                      >
                                      > Dee
                                      >
                                      > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Hi Steve,
                                      > >
                                      > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio.
                                      > > This was either a
                                      > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John
                                      > > and I went to
                                      > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day
                                      > > Kennedy was
                                      > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close
                                      > > the Fire Station.
                                      > >
                                      > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there.
                                      > > Mrs. Bernstein
                                      > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker
                                      > > system coming
                                      > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that
                                      > > for a long time.
                                      > > Too weird.
                                      > >
                                      > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island
                                      > > as well. I went
                                      > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the
                                      > > morning for me.
                                      > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts
                                      > > between 3 and 4 AM.
                                      > >
                                      > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names.
                                      > > There was one older
                                      > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ.
                                      > > Their father
                                      > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey
                                      > > Shore. I can see
                                      > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl
                                      > > was going out
                                      > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him
                                      > > at the Ferry
                                      > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember
                                      > > his name. Wow
                                      > > another deep memory.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall
                                      > > guy who went out
                                      > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over
                                      > > at the Guest
                                      > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at
                                      > > the pro shop one
                                      > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the
                                      > > stair from the
                                      > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts.
                                      > > There was a
                                      > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about
                                      > > half way between
                                      > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled
                                      > > up under the
                                      > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the
                                      > > rain. Both of
                                      > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                                      > >
                                      > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry?
                                      > > There was a midget
                                      > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great
                                      > > guy. Used to see
                                      > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show
                                      > > business.
                                      > >
                                      > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and
                                      > > playing at the O
                                      > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                                      > >
                                      > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags
                                      > > and the smell of
                                      > > the french fries there.
                                      > >
                                      > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car
                                      > > ... I can't
                                      > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                                      > >
                                      > > Regards,
                                      > > Michael
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                                      > > de Carteret
                                      > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                      > > > Mike -
                                      > > >
                                      > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might
                                      > > have been the
                                      > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon
                                      > > who was in
                                      > > > one of my classes.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the
                                      > > Band Leader
                                      > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village,
                                      > > and was my
                                      > > > first friend on the island.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest
                                      > > House?
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in
                                      > > the parking lot.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Steve
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > Hi Steve,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up
                                      > > going to Xavier in
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > city.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's
                                      > > who you were
                                      > > thinking
                                      > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96.
                                      > > Got his mother
                                      > > but
                                      > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost
                                      > > weird.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who
                                      > > lives in Cape May NJ
                                      > > > > but no luck there either.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit.
                                      > > Along with Doug
                                      > > > > Welliver.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty
                                      > > good. I must
                                      > > have
                                      > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my
                                      > > recollections are very
                                      > > fuzzy.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Regards,
                                      > > > > Michael
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com,
                                      > > Steve de Carteret
                                      > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                      > > > > > Mike,
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the
                                      > > Colts and I
                                      > > remember
                                      > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have
                                      > > been on your
                                      > > team
                                      > > > > then,
                                      > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and
                                      > > Garry Harwood were
                                      > > on
                                      > > > > the
                                      > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals -
                                      > > his Dad was
                                      > > > > Comissary
                                      > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food
                                      > > company
                                      > > sponsorship.
                                      > > > > Cott
                                      > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool
                                      > > jackets. I
                                      > > remember it
                                      > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis
                                      > > Vikings, or maybe
                                      > > > > Colts,
                                      > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor.
                                      > > Jamie had a pretty,
                                      > > but
                                      > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit
                                      > > the island a lot
                                      > > > > during those
                                      > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Steve
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind
                                      > > somewhere.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie
                                      > > Lombard and John
                                      > > Hokoana.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben
                                      > > bought some
                                      > > > > interesting
                                      > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all
                                      > > my
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                                      Hi Stormie, That is weird. I do remember the behind the teen club, breath hard, pass-out, tickle thing :-) I can t remember ever thinking about that ever
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                                        Hi Stormie,

                                        That is weird. I do remember the behind the teen club, breath hard,
                                        pass-out, tickle thing :-)

                                        I can't remember ever thinking about that ever again.

                                        Getting old and the synapses are not firing true any more. Thanks
                                        for the memory.

                                        Michael

                                        --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, "Stormie (Conger)"
                                        <sjkma@n...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Wow this is great - such memories I had forgot. Three Flags is
                                        where
                                        > I hung out all the time - i think the french fries are the reason
                                        I
                                        > have high cholesterol now - I have always loved french fries ever
                                        > since.(I think that is the same place I learned to smoke too - I
                                        > think it was Vince that passed me a cigarette in there the first
                                        > time I met him "He always used to call girls "Brauds" I just
                                        > remembered after reading this that I worked at the O Club guest
                                        > house for 3 years with Mary Eveld and several others. The best
                                        > benefit was getting to eat the food upsatirs in the kitchen with
                                        the
                                        > chef (he was a real nice black man from Jamaica? I think - I had
                                        my
                                        > first taste of Lobster there) That is where I met Jeff Black too.I
                                        > remember John Ignacio too and "Hokie" wasnt he Hawiaan? I have a
                                        > picture I need to get scanned and posted. It has Hokie, Tom
                                        > Fleischell and someone else in it sitting outside Hokie's place on
                                        > the grass.
                                        >
                                        > Does anyone remember a weird thing we used to do out behind the
                                        old
                                        > teen club?- Someone would stand behind you and you would pinch
                                        your
                                        > nose and blow out your breath as hard as you could until you
                                        passed
                                        > out and fell back and they would catch you and then several others
                                        > would run there fingers down your arms - tickling you as you came
                                        > to - and it felt like a great rush - a sorta high without drugs??
                                        > Were we crazy back then or what?
                                        >
                                        > Stormie (Conger) Andrews
                                        >
                                        > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Deanna Monaghan
                                        > <deemon28@y...> wrote:
                                        > > You are really starting to bring up some memories -
                                        > > worked in the 3 flags after school most of my time on
                                        > > the Island. Loved those french fries.
                                        > >
                                        > > Dee
                                        > >
                                        > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > Hi Steve,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > You just hit a real deep memory. John Ignacio.
                                        > > > This was either a
                                        > > > dream or it's real - somehow I think its real. John
                                        > > > and I went to
                                        > > > PS 26. I remember walking home with him the day
                                        > > > Kennedy was
                                        > > > assasinated. He lived over in Brick Village close
                                        > > > the Fire Station.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 1963. I must have been in the third grade there.
                                        > > > Mrs. Bernstein
                                        > > > was the teacher. I remember after lunch the speaker
                                        > > > system coming
                                        > > > on with the news. Wow. Hadn't thought about that
                                        > > > for a long time.
                                        > > > Too weird.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > John had a paper delivery route there on the island
                                        > > > as well. I went
                                        > > > with him a few times to help out. Too early in the
                                        > > > morning for me.
                                        > > > Now, I can't stay up past 9PM. My day starts
                                        > > > between 3 and 4 AM.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > The Cioppa girls. I can't remember the names.
                                        > > > There was one older
                                        > > > and one younger than me. They moved down to NJ.
                                        > > > Their father
                                        > > > worked at Ft Monmouth down close to the Jersey
                                        > > > Shore. I can see
                                        > > > them but can't remember the names. The older girl
                                        > > > was going out
                                        > > > with a guy in the CG. He as an SP. Used to see him
                                        > > > at the Ferry
                                        > > > all the time. I can see him but just can't remember
                                        > > > his name. Wow
                                        > > > another deep memory.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > You've got to remember Greg Blair then. Big tall
                                        > > > guy who went out
                                        > > > with a girl by the name of Cheryl. She worked over
                                        > > > at the Guest
                                        > > > House across from the O club. I was hanging out at
                                        > > > the pro shop one
                                        > > > night and it was raining like hell. Come down the
                                        > > > stair from the
                                        > > > balcony and start walking towards the tennis courts.
                                        > > > There was a
                                        > > > door to the desk area for the the guest house about
                                        > > > half way between
                                        > > > the pro shop and the tennis courts. There snuggled
                                        > > > up under the
                                        > > > overhang is Greg Blair and Cheryl making out in the
                                        > > > rain. Both of
                                        > > > them soaked. I can still smell the rain.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Do you remember the guys that worked the ferry?
                                        > > > There was a midget
                                        > > > there whose name I can't remember. What a great
                                        > > > guy. Used to see
                                        > > > him all the time. He had a brother who was in show
                                        > > > business.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Do you remember the Circle coming to the island and
                                        > > > playing at the O
                                        > > > Club? They were coasties who were a one hit wonder.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I can still see the pin ball machine in the 3 flags
                                        > > > and the smell of
                                        > > > the french fries there.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Thanks for the memories. Good luck finding your car
                                        > > > ... I can't
                                        > > > remember what I had for breakfast this morning ....
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Regards,
                                        > > > Michael
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com, Steve
                                        > > > de Carteret
                                        > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                        > > > > Mike -
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > There was a "Felix" guy, and I thought it might
                                        > > > have been the
                                        > > > > one from the Young Rascals.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > I remember Bill Boykin, too, and his sister Sharon
                                        > > > who was in
                                        > > > > one of my classes.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > How about John Ignacio? Army kid, his dad was the
                                        > > > Band Leader
                                        > > > > for the First Army Band. Lived in Brick Village,
                                        > > > and was my
                                        > > > > first friend on the island.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > The Cioppa girls, whose father ran the Guest
                                        > > > House?
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Memories are strange. Hope I can find my car in
                                        > > > the parking lot.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Steve
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- semiauto_guy <semiauto_guy@y...> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > > Hi Steve,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Yes - Janet was a bit snooty. Jamie ended up
                                        > > > going to Xavier in
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > city.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Now I rmember an "Alex" Vangelakos. If that's
                                        > > > who you were
                                        > > > thinking
                                        > > > > > of. I tried getting a hold of him back in 96.
                                        > > > Got his mother
                                        > > > but
                                        > > > > > she wouldn't tell me a thing about him. Almost
                                        > > > weird.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Oh, also, Bill Boykin. I tried his dad who
                                        > > > lives in Cape May NJ
                                        > > > > > but no luck there either.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Alex, Brad and I used to hang out quite a bit.
                                        > > > Along with Doug
                                        > > > > > Welliver.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Wow - your recollection of the facts are pretty
                                        > > > good. I must
                                        > > > have
                                        > > > > > spent too much time in Asia because my
                                        > > > recollections are very
                                        > > > fuzzy.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Regards,
                                        > > > > > Michael
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In governorsislandbrats2@yahoogroups.com,
                                        > > > Steve de Carteret
                                        > > > > > <byrdman@r...> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > Mike,
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > So you played on the Vikings. I was on the
                                        > > > Colts and I
                                        > > > remember
                                        > > > > > > > Billy Mitchell was on the Packers.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Yes, the Vikings. Clark Henderson would have
                                        > > > been on your
                                        > > > team
                                        > > > > > then,
                                        > > > > > > as was Eddie Otero, IIRC. Chip Thomas and
                                        > > > Garry Harwood were
                                        > > > on
                                        > > > > > the
                                        > > > > > > Packers. Jamie Lombard was on the Cardinals -
                                        > > > his Dad was
                                        > > > > > Comissary
                                        > > > > > > Officer, and started the league with food
                                        > > > company
                                        > > > sponsorship.
                                        > > > > > Cott
                                        > > > > > > sponsored the Cardinals and gave them cool
                                        > > > jackets. I
                                        > > > remember it
                                        > > > > > > was the Krasdale Packers, and I think Curtis
                                        > > > Vikings, or maybe
                                        > > > > > Colts,
                                        > > > > > > nad I can't remember the fourth sponsor.
                                        > > > Jamie had a pretty,
                                        > > > but
                                        > > > > > > snooty, little sister Janet.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Do you remember the "Felix" that would visit
                                        > > > the island a lot
                                        > > > > > during those
                                        > > > > > > early years? Was that Felix Cavaliere?
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Steve
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Wow that was stuffed way back in the mind
                                        > > > somewhere.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > You brought up some new names. Jamie
                                        > > > Lombard and John
                                        > > > Hokoana.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Ben Joyce and I got caught by Mom after Ben
                                        > > > bought some
                                        > > > > > interesting
                                        > > > > > > > dried vegetation :-) Of course it was all
                                        > > > my
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                                        > >
                                        > >
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