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  • llama_nom
    Thanks, Ingemar! There are a few suggestions regarding the etymology of Torsmånad here: http://runeberg.org/svetym/1083.html Judging by Icelandic þorri and
    Message 1 of 56 , May 1, 2007
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      Thanks, Ingemar! There are a few suggestions regarding the etymology
      of Torsmånad here:

      http://runeberg.org/svetym/1083.html

      Judging by Icelandic þorri and Norwegian torre, it could be that the
      association with the god Tor is a folk-etymology. The idea that it
      might have originally meant "dry month" is strange given all of these
      names from England and Germany that refer to how wet it is! But maybe
      this is due to the different climate further north -- dry, I guess,
      because the land is frozen (see the first ON quote below). I've also
      seen the Icelandic name interpreted as "frozen snow" (maybe still
      related to this root meaning dry?). Old Icelandic sources name Þorri
      as the son of Snær (snow). Snær's other children are named after
      various types of snow (drift, blizzard, powdery snow). Hversu Noregr
      byggðisk:

      Fornjótr hét maðr. Hann átti þrjá sonu; var einn Hlér, annarr Logi,
      þriði Kári. Hann réð fyrir vindum, en Logi fyrir eldi, Hlér fyrir sjó.
      Kári var faðir Jökuls, föður Snæs konungs, en börn Snæs konungs váru
      þau Þorri, Fönn, Drífa ok Mjöll. Þorri var konungr ágætr. Hann réð
      fyrir Gotlandi, Kænlandi ok Finnlandi. Hann blótuðu Kænir til þess, at
      snjóva gerði ok væri skíðfæri gott. Þat er ár þeira. Þat blót skyldi
      vera at miðjum vetri, ok var þaðan af kallaðr Þorra mánaðr.

      (...The Kænir made sacrifices to him so that he would make it snow and
      there would be a good surface for skiing on. That sacrificial feast
      took place at midwinter and Þorri's month (Þorra mánaðr) was named
      after it.)

      Fundinn Noregr:

      Fornjótr hefir konungr heitit. Hann réð fyrir Gotlandi, er kallat er
      Finnland ok Kvenland. Þat er fyrir austan hafsbotn þann, er gengr til
      móts við Gandvík; þat köllum vér Helsingjabotn. Fornjótr átti þrjá
      syni. Hét einn Hlér, er vér köllum Ægi, annarr Logi, þriði Kári. Hann
      var faðir Frosta, föður Snæs ins gamla. Hans sonr hét Þorri. Hann átti
      tvá syni, hét annarr Nórr, en annarr Górr, dóttir hans hét Gói. Þorri
      var blótmaðr mikill. Hann hafði blót á hverju ári at miðjum vetri; þat
      kölluðu þeir Þorrablót. Af því tók mánaðrinn heiti.

      Þat var tíðenda einn vetr at Þorrablóti, at Gói hvarf í brott, ok var
      hennar leita farit, ok finnst hún eigi. Ok er sá mánaðr leið, lét
      Þorri fá at blóti ok blóta til þess er þeir yrði vísir, hvar Gói væri
      niðr komin; þat kölluðu þeir Góiblót.

      http://www.snerpa.is/net/forn/fornjot.htm

      Gói is the name of the next month after Þorri. The other theory is
      that þorri refers to the lessening of the severity of winter, the
      reduction, dwindling, decrease, waning, coming-to-an-end of winter,
      cf. Icelandic þverra "to dwindle, decrease"; þurðr (also 'þurða') "a
      decrease, waning".

      LN



      --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, "Ingemar Nordgren" <ingemar@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Llama non,
      >
      > You asked about the Swedish month-names. If we go back to the
      > Bondepraktika, which is not ON but just medieval we have:
      >
      > January- Torsmånad
      > February- Göjemånad
      > March - Martius, Mars månad (latin of course)
      > April - Aprilis, April månad (-"- )
      > May - Majus, Maj månad ( -"- )
      > June - Midsommarmånad (and Junius)
      > July - Hömånad
      > August - Skördemånad
      > September - Höstmånad
      > October - Slaktmånad
      > November - Vintermånad
      > December - Julmånad
      >
      > Accordingly I fucked it up earlier with Göje and Slaughtermonth which
      > are February and October.
      >
      > Suggestion for May I would say Lövmånad/Leafmonth since e.g. Maypole
      > is understood as a leafed pole. May bis the rebirth of leafed plants.
      >
      > March and April I do not really know but I think it should be natural
      > with 'vårmånad'-spring month for April??
      >
      > I am a bit dubious concerning Tor in january since he is connected
      > with farming and specially ploughing in old saywords.At Borholm it
      > says 'Three (plough)lines for Þórr give a green spring'. During the
      > Disting the first symbolic ploughlines were made with sacrifice of
      > bread to Freja. I would rather have Torsmånad in March as a
      > preparation for sowing and January would fit better to e.g.
      > frostmånad-Frost month or better Midvintermånad-Mid Winter month since
      > the Midwinter feast/Disting starts its cycle 21 januari but during an
      > 8-years cycle it moves until 19 february.At the Disting the first
      > symbolic ploughglines were taken and hence Ploughmonth -Torsmonth
      > would fit rather well the following month and before sowing/planting
      > in 'Vårmånaden'(Spring month)
      >
      > This, as I say, is a medieval naming being used until almost modern
      > times and hence there has been a lot of late influence on the naming.
      >
      > Best
      > Ingemar
      >
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