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Re: [gothic-l] Re: Tribes in Ostrogothia: a re-run

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  • Le Bateman
    Are the Longebards, Vandels, Heruli, The Wends, tribes that make up the Gothic nations of the Ostragoths or Visigoths? Le ... From: Francisc Czobor
    Message 1 of 15 , Sep 11 3:43 PM
      Are the Longebards, Vandels, Heruli, The Wends, tribes that make up the
      Gothic nations of the Ostragoths or Visigoths?
      Le
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor@...>
      To: <gothic-l@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:51 AM
      Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Tribes in Ostrogothia: a re-run


      Oscar, there is a missunderstanding here:
      The 6000 Langobards referred to by Baira are not those who under the
      leadership of Alboin invaded Italy in 568, but some Langobardic
      mercenaries who served in the Byzantine army in Italy in 552 (16
      years earlier). Ahyhow, the migratory peoples counted at best some
      hundreds of thousands of peoples, not millions.

      Francisc

      --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co@...> wrote:
      >
      > i think baira might be wrong in her nimbers of the
      lombards.......the romans feared the germanic groups and as well
      acknowledged the fact that there was" millions of them "as one of
      their technicians quoted......oscar
      >
      > Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002@...> wrote: Hails alla,
      >
      > I believe to have read that, instead of fighting on the side of
      Totila and the Ostrogoths at the battle of Busta Gallorum in 552 AD,
      the Langobards were induced to leave the area entirely, not fight for
      either side, and the Romans then gave the Langobards some estates in
      the Balkans. This may, in fact, be one possible explanation for the
      presence of the Sword of Pernik, made about 800 AD, and found near
      Pernik, Bulgaria, ca. 30 km due West of Sophia. Its inscription reads,
      >
      > IHININIHUILPIDIHINIHUILPN
      >
      > Which, evidently, should be read as "Ih ini ni huil pid; Ih ini
      huil pn"; or, out of the Langobardic --already showing signs of OHG
      second sound shift, would mean, roughly, "I, within, await not the
      hour; I, within, AM the hour."
      >
      > Rough sentiments for Langobards, no? Finally, Othmar (Audemer)
      referred to the Langobards in his poem about the Busta Gallorum
      battle of 552 AD, "Totila Rides the Djerid":
      >
      > "...Rome's deserters now have joined
      > yet I see arses, horse and man;
      > Langobards are going home.
      > They fear to ride the Djerid."
      >
      > Aizamundareiks
      >
      > Arthur
      > arthur.jones@...
      >
      > Baira <baira_bear@...> wrote:
      > --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co@> wrote:
      > >
      > > what about the lombards who founded milan...oscar
      > >
      >
      > Langobards/Lombards, from which Lombardy got its name, arrived in
      > Italy only in 568, i.e. about 13 years after Byzantines destroyed
      the
      > Ostrogothic kingdom. Anyway in 552 6,000 Langobards (also with
      groups
      > of Heruli, Gepids and Huns)were part of the the Byzantine army
      > fighting against the Goths. These were the first recorded
      Langobards
      > in Italy
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >







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