Re: Search for Gothic DNA: Feasibility
- Dear Arthur
I have done some thinking on the royal families and inter-marriages,
also in England. Could it be possible to find DNA back to Gothic
princesses in this way? Well, it remains to be seen, but it sure is
an interesting thought, and a tempting one as well.
Hopefully, we might get closer to finding out if pockets of
Gothic "bloodlines" exists in this project. I will certainly give it
a shot. On our first expedition now in 2006, to the Canary Islands
and the search for Guanches, we are trimming our new expedition team
in preparations for Russia and the Ukraine in August. Hopefully, we
can establish a working team able to easily retrieve DNA to try out
theories in this way. I'll keep you posted!
Thanks for interesting thoughts!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002@...>
> from: Arthur A. Jones arthur.jones@...
> OSCAR HERRERA melida:
> "...I doubt that barbaric tribes had their royal families..."
> First, let's dismiss the word "barbaric" from our
>(see Peter Heather, "The Goths", Thomas C. Burns, "The Ostrogoths",
> If you mean pre-Christian Gothic peoples, the evidence is ample
our own Ingemar Nordgren, "Well Spring of theGoths", Herwig
Wolfram, "History of the Goths", and others including
Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of theRoman Empire", Jordanes "Getica",
>Greuthung royal clan, later to be designated Ostrogoth, was the Amal
> The main aristocratic warrior family that emerged as the leading
or Amaling family. They produced Valamer, as well as Thiudareiks the
>family (hasn't this basic ground been covered on this gothic-l list
> Visigoths followed the equally cherished and respected Balthi
recently?), which, inter alia, produced Alareiks (Alaric), whose
descendants established the Visigothic Kingdom in Spain. Those
peoples had a clear idea of their provenance back to the first or
second century b.c., at the very least.
>trace large numbers of modern residents of Great Britain and former
> Now: As to modern-day DNA, it will not be very difficult to
colonies back to descendants of the several Balthic (Visigothic)
princesses who were married off to Anglo-Saxon nobles, Frankish
lords and Northman/Norman princes before the 1066 ad invasion of
William the Conqueror. There is, in fact, pretty reliable written
record of all those marriages and family trees leading back to the
Balthi family and to Visigothic Spain.
>First, because of laws of primogeniture, second and subsequent sons
> But the majority of their descendants are no longer royalty:
and daughter didn't inherit main titles or much of anything else,
thus many struck out for the armies, early colonial companies, or
other means of making a living. Hence, many emigrated to North
America, the "disgruntled" children of landed aristocrats and
royalty at all levels: marquis and marquesses, earls, barons, dukes,
>by Balths, Amalings, and others, whether in Gotland, Northern
> It will be fascinating to see whether unique DNA markers shared
Poland, around the Black Sea, through the Balkans, Northern Italy,
Southern France and Northern Spain can reveal pockets of
> Sorry, all: I didn't mean to become preachy or pedantic.
> Afletith mis filuwaurdeis.
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