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    Old Low Franconian: fetherac; OS fetherak; MLG vederik. So maybe Go. *fiþraks, masculine a-stem. (In his Old Saxon dictionary, Koebler cites PIE *petrg-
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      Old Low Franconian: fetherac; OS fetherak; MLG vederik. So maybe Go.
      *fiþraks, masculine a-stem. (In his Old Saxon dictionary, Koebler
      cites PIE *petrg- from Pokorny.)

      fiþrakans falþanans (acc.)
      fiþrakam falþanaim (dat.)

      --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@...> wrote:
      > Hails Arthur,
      > The least I could do... The 'e' in my proposed 'weggs' was meant to
      > be a long vowel /e:/ which corresponds to ON /a:/, in this case
      > mutated to /æ:/. I'm guessing the vowel was shortened (due to the
      > consonant cluster?) and raised (due to the nasal?). But where each of
      > these changes happened, in English or Danish (cf. Da. vinge), I'm not
      > sure. I notice that all your examples of i : e merge in Appalatian
      > have a nasal after them. Does the same happen in other environments,
      > e.g. 'pit' : 'pet'? The Gothic cognate of 'feather' would be *fiþra,
      > feminine o-stem. Which would alliterate nicely, accusative: fiþros
      > falþanans (or dative: fiþrom falþanaim). OHG fedarah might be Go.
      > *fiþrak- or *fiþrah-, depending what this suffix is. Have you seen
      > any explanation for that? According to Grimm, LG fittek is borrowed
      > from High German (as shown by the medial consonant). Other words, OS
      > fetherhamo, OE feþerhama, ON fjaðrhamr, although Grimm says that these
      > "drückt mehr das ganze gefieder aus." Go. *fiþrahama?
      > aLlarma_aNemone_aNomomaly
      > (Ack, you've set me mutating now...)
      > --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hails,
      > >
      > > I would like to thank the Gothic List members who contributed
      > their condolences and their fine Gothic thoughts on the occasion of my
      > Mother's passing.
      > >
      > > Mom would have thoroughly enjoyed the discussion of nouns,
      > declensions, dative and accusative absolutes, gerundives, and
      > reconstructions that several of you have built up over the past few
      > days! Indeed, you have done her great honour.
      > >
      > > Especially, I would like to thank LLama_Nomandans, Michael Erwin,
      > Ualarauans, Pituxalina, and others for joining in. Imagine a wake in
      > an extinct language!
      > >
      > > Incidentally: I notice once more that reconstructing "wings" in
      > Gothic served to run us by the e>i process again (weggs - wiggs -
      > vaegg - wing). I am gaining am impression that, perhaps, predominant
      > Gothic dialects such as that (or those) incorporated by Wulfila were
      > intentionally left a bit archaic at the time --mid fourth Century-- to
      > create a sense of unity, as well as the aura of respect usually shown
      > to tribal elders and their older speech patterns. In fact, the e>i
      > changes might have been considerably more advanced in the spoken
      > vernacular of the time.
      > >
      > > In other languages, the e>i transition is anything but complete:
      > Take, e.g., Appalachian English, in most dialects of which "pen" and
      > "pin" are homophones, as are "many - minny", "men - min", etc.
      > >
      > > As to "wings", would a reconstruction based on archaic forms of
      > the NHD (Neuhochdeutsch) "Fittich" be a possible? As LLama_Nomerabilis
      > has pointed out, the MFO (Most Frequently Occurring) Gothic word could
      > well have been a "feather" relative: hence, perhaps "fedarahs" or
      > >
      > > Thanks again, all.
      > >
      > > Arthur
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
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