Re: Crimean runes
- I agree in your comments below. It was the connection Kerch - Goths -
Romenia - Pietroassa - Reicherts "J"-rune (discussed as at
Stentoften) which made me suggest this theoretical possibility.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "llama_nom" <600cell@o...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "Troels Brandt" <trbrandt@p...>
> > I am not the right to answer and llama has answered the linquistc
> > part.
> Far from it: I haven´t answered anything, only suggested some more
> questions! I just tried to give a summary of what sort of
> inscriptions have been found so far that are attributed to East
> Germanic peoples such as the Goths and Heruls. Anything else is
> pure speculation on my part.
> Troels mentions the idea of runes used as ideographs, standing for
> the concept represented by the name of the rune
> (called "Begriffsrunen" in German, "begrepsruner" in Norwegian,
> which term is sometimes translated "concept runes" in English).
> That´s something I hadn´t thought of, but an interesting
> to consider. The technique is probably used in some Scandinavian
> inscriptions predating the Viking Age (e.g. Stentoften & Gummarp),
> and it is attested somewhat later in Anglo-Saxon manuscripts, but
> there are many inscriptions where the use of concept runes is
> disputed, or impossible to prove. There is one widely accepted
> example of a concept rune in an inscription considered to be
> the Pietroassa ring, found in Romania. Here, as at Stentoften, the
> ideograph as part of a text which otherwise is spelt out in full--
> rather than a series of initials.
> Here is a quote from JH Looijenga's book "Runes Around the North
> Sea...", she is talking about finds from before the Viking period:
> "Personally I have difficulties determining when and if an
> ideographic rune (or Begriffsrune) was used, since the runewriters'
> criteria for using them are unknown to us. There is at least
> one clear instance of the use of an ideographic rune: the single j
> rune on the Stentoften stone, representing its name *jara
> meaning `good year' = harvest. The peculiar use of this ideograph
> is further emphasized by the fact that it was carved in an archaic
> fashion. The h in Thorsberg aisgzh may or may not be such a
> Begriffsrune, there is no graphic peculiarity (h has no
> archaic forerunner), but, in Antonsen's interpretation, it could
> symbolize its name on syntactic grounds. In some other cases,
> isolated runes may be read as abbreviations, such as the r in the
> Sievern bracteate, which apparently denotes r[unoz]. Single runes
> may have been read as abbreviations in the oldest inscriptions, and
> may later on have come to represent the symbolic meaning of the
> rune's name."
> Needless to say, with a whole series of abbreviations, it would be
> very hard to narrow down the possible interpretations. If they
> stood for the concepts embodied in the rune names, it's easy to
> think up symbolic interpretations, but hard if not impossible to
> test them.
> Llama Nom