Re: Gothic names
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <vegorov@i...> wrote:
> Hi, Troels!Hi Vladimir
> Thank you for the exhaustive anthology regarding Hrothwulf,
> even if my gratitude reaches you with a week delay.
> Unfortunately, the series for Hrothrik was shorter.
> Except for Beowulf (I just reconstructed *Hrothrik from
> Beowulf's HROTHmund + hredRIK) you mentioned Saxon's
> Röric (Roeric) and compared this form with HraerekR
> of the sagas as "synonymous". Identity of "Roeric" and
> "HraerekR" is very important for me.
If this is the identity you want to use, you have to be aware that
this was based on a comparison of figures in the sagas and Gesta
Danorum. I (and others) may have made a wrong comparison or Saxo may
have made a mistake when he spelled the name. As already mentioned I
did not look at this from a linguistic point of view.
> First, this allows me
> to extend identifying HraithmaraR of the Roekstone
> with Hroth-mara that is the Black sea as "Russian-sea"
> (naturally if the supposition, BTW prompted by you, on
> derivation of the ethnonym "Rus" from Gothic "hroth" is true).
> Second, this corroborates my assumption that Rurik of
> the Initial Russian Chronicle was neither "knyaz' Rurik"
> nor "konung Roeric of Jutland/Frisland" but merely
> a personification of Russian kagans (chacans, hacons)
> i.e. Russian rulers, i.e. Hroth-riks. In particular,
> the Initial Chronicle personifies the same way the Russian
> "priestly chieftains", i.e. hölgi, as "knyaz' Oleg",
> and the Khazar kagans as "knyaz' Kagan".
> (I realize that all this sounds for you as a drivel
> and I have no intentions to impose on you my considerations,
> which are far enough from Gothic problems, but believe
> that I have some serious reasons for them, and I'm not
> wasting your time in vain.)
Really interesting. There are just a handful of Germanic names with an initial sigis- theme (according to Förstemann 1900: Sigisbert, Sigisfrid, Sigismeres, Sigismund, Sigistricus, Sigisvulth) I can add a Sigesgundia in Galicia in 887), but there are plenty of them with just *segi-, and also with *ses/sis- (including Galician medieval names Sisulfus, Sisericus, Sisvaldus... and Sisuldus, Sisina, Sesinus, Sisilo, Sisbertus, Sesgundia, etc.) So I think that your reasoning can be also applyied to the identification of *sis- as a variant of *sigis-.
Now, on Rosamunda, etc, the element Maur- present in Maurila was probably taken from Latin Maurentius; Flor- in Floresindus from Florentius (flos ‘blossom’, and so 'to grow, prosper'); Cresc- in Crescemirus from Crescentius (crescere ‘to grow’); fortis in Fortesindus and Gundifortis is Latin fortis ‘strong’... So Rosamunda/Rosemudus can be related to Rosalia, Rosula or Rosina, but there are alternative Germanic etymologies (I concede that they are too many and probably too weak).