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Re: [gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East-Migration period legends.

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  • Oskar Andersson
    Hi Einar, thanks for the information. I will check it up! And yes, Wessén was Swedish! Oskar
    Message 1 of 61 , Jan 23, 2002
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      Hi Einar,

      thanks for the information. I will check it up!
      And yes, Wessén was Swedish!

      Oskar


      > --- In gothic-l@y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson@g...> wrote:
      > > Hi,
      >
      > *********Hæ Oskar. Sorry for my late answer.
      >
      > In Barthi Guthmundsson´s book it says page 166;
      > "The theory that Elias Wessén has set forth[29] that the Skjoldungs
      > were Heruli will hardly be disproved. And N.C.Lukman recently adduced
      > strong arguments[30] that Hrólf kraki is the same person as the king
      > of the Heruli who was slain by the Langobards"
      >
      > Einar; Meaning here Rodulf, of course.
      >
      > [29] De Nordiska Folkstammarna i Beowulf (Stockholm,1927), Chapter 2.
      > [30] Skjoldunge und Skilfinge(Copenhagen,1943), pp. 125-143.
      >
      > In the above mentioned book by Wessén it is clear that his conclusion
      > is that the Heruli are the Skjoldungs.
      > I will leave out quoting but on page 25 he says that: the Heruli are
      > the Skjoldungs.
      > That is obviously his conclusion.
      >
      >
      > The same conclusions were being reached by N.C.Lukman(1943) and Claus
      > Krag(1991) and to mention also, by Barthi Guthmundsson(1951)
      >
      > I thought that Wessén was German and therefore writing in German but
      > after your letter I realize he is Swedish and writing in Swedish so I
      > will read his book.
      >
      > Bless, Einar****************
      > >
      > >
      > > > > What is the source that states the the Skjoldungar are the
      > > > > descendants of the Heruli???
      > > >
      > > > ****Einar; Now I have to trust my memory. N.C Lukman claims so
      > and
      > > > did a lot of reaserch into that matter.. Claus Krag in his book
      > from
      > > > 1991(about Ynglingar and Ynglinga traditions) does very,very much
      > > > agree with him. And he is a respected scholar. Just like Lukman
      > > > actually.
      > > > Another scholar with the name of I think Elias Wiesen(very likely
      > not
      > > > rightly written here) claims so too but I have not seen his
      > writings.
      > > > I guess that because Claus Krag does accept Lukmans ideas and
      > found
      > > > them convincing I do guess that many other scholars do agree with
      > him.
      > > > But as for now I do not know of other scholars.
      > >
      > > I assume you are referring to Elias Wessén (1889-1981), a Swedish
      > linguist who was
      > > fellow of Svenska Akademin (anyone has a short biography of him?
      > Please post it
      > > to my adress, or here if you find it suiting the topics).
      > > I'd be interesting in reading this part, and I ask any member
      > familiar with this
      > > passage to send me some references on it. I have some books from
      > him, and although
      > > some ideas are clearly of old, he has many interesting ideas and a
      > credible research
      > > in most cases.
      > >
      > > > *** Thanks for your kind comments. Bless,bless Einar.
      > > > >
      > > > > cheers,
      > > > > Dirk
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > > Oskar
      >
      >
      >
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    • Oskar Andersson
      Hi Einar, thanks for the information. I will check it up! And yes, Wessén was Swedish! Oskar
      Message 61 of 61 , Jan 23, 2002
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        Hi Einar,

        thanks for the information. I will check it up!
        And yes, Wessén was Swedish!

        Oskar


        > --- In gothic-l@y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson@g...> wrote:
        > > Hi,
        >
        > *********Hæ Oskar. Sorry for my late answer.
        >
        > In Barthi Guthmundsson´s book it says page 166;
        > "The theory that Elias Wessén has set forth[29] that the Skjoldungs
        > were Heruli will hardly be disproved. And N.C.Lukman recently adduced
        > strong arguments[30] that Hrólf kraki is the same person as the king
        > of the Heruli who was slain by the Langobards"
        >
        > Einar; Meaning here Rodulf, of course.
        >
        > [29] De Nordiska Folkstammarna i Beowulf (Stockholm,1927), Chapter 2.
        > [30] Skjoldunge und Skilfinge(Copenhagen,1943), pp. 125-143.
        >
        > In the above mentioned book by Wessén it is clear that his conclusion
        > is that the Heruli are the Skjoldungs.
        > I will leave out quoting but on page 25 he says that: the Heruli are
        > the Skjoldungs.
        > That is obviously his conclusion.
        >
        >
        > The same conclusions were being reached by N.C.Lukman(1943) and Claus
        > Krag(1991) and to mention also, by Barthi Guthmundsson(1951)
        >
        > I thought that Wessén was German and therefore writing in German but
        > after your letter I realize he is Swedish and writing in Swedish so I
        > will read his book.
        >
        > Bless, Einar****************
        > >
        > >
        > > > > What is the source that states the the Skjoldungar are the
        > > > > descendants of the Heruli???
        > > >
        > > > ****Einar; Now I have to trust my memory. N.C Lukman claims so
        > and
        > > > did a lot of reaserch into that matter.. Claus Krag in his book
        > from
        > > > 1991(about Ynglingar and Ynglinga traditions) does very,very much
        > > > agree with him. And he is a respected scholar. Just like Lukman
        > > > actually.
        > > > Another scholar with the name of I think Elias Wiesen(very likely
        > not
        > > > rightly written here) claims so too but I have not seen his
        > writings.
        > > > I guess that because Claus Krag does accept Lukmans ideas and
        > found
        > > > them convincing I do guess that many other scholars do agree with
        > him.
        > > > But as for now I do not know of other scholars.
        > >
        > > I assume you are referring to Elias Wessén (1889-1981), a Swedish
        > linguist who was
        > > fellow of Svenska Akademin (anyone has a short biography of him?
        > Please post it
        > > to my adress, or here if you find it suiting the topics).
        > > I'd be interesting in reading this part, and I ask any member
        > familiar with this
        > > passage to send me some references on it. I have some books from
        > him, and although
        > > some ideas are clearly of old, he has many interesting ideas and a
        > credible research
        > > in most cases.
        > >
        > > > *** Thanks for your kind comments. Bless,bless Einar.
        > > > >
        > > > > cheers,
        > > > > Dirk
        > >
        > > Thanks,
        > > Oskar
        >
        >
        >
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