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Re: Names of Heruls-Goffart-J.Svennung.

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  • Einar Birgisson
    ... Einar, Hæ. ... Einar; I am sure that this above mentioned info.(midnight-sun etc) is from Book III,History of the wars, VI.xv (from about 6-15). I just
    Message 1 of 78 , Dec 1, 2001
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      --- In gothic-l@y..., "Einar Birgisson" <einarbirg@y...> wrote:
      > --- In gothic-l@y..., dirk@s... wrote:
      > > --- In gothic-l@y..., "Einar Birgisson" <einarbirg@y...> wrote:
      > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., dirk@s... wrote:
      > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., "Einar Birgisson" <einarbirg@y...>
      wrote:
      > > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., dirk@s... wrote:
      > > > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., "Einar Birgisson" <einarbirg@y...>
      > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., dirk@s... wrote:
      > > > > > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., "Einar Birgisson"
      > <einarbirg@y...>
      > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., dirk@s... wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > > --- In gothic-l@y..., Tore Gannholm
      > > > <tore.gannholm@s...>
      > > > > > > wrote:

      Einar, Hæ.

      > Troels mentioned in his letter no. 5125 yesterday the very specific
      > information in Book VI, xv, 6-15.


      Einar; I am sure that this above mentioned info.(midnight-sun etc)
      is from
      Book III,History of the wars, VI.xv (from about 6-15). I just have
      copies but I am almost sure of this. Anyway you saw it was not from
      book VI.(As stated above). But I wanted to come with a correction.

      There are just two books by author J.Svennung in the library that
      could touch on any subject relevant to this discussion.
      That is; Jordanes und Scandia-1967- (which I quoted from yesterday)
      and
      Zur Geschichte des Goticismus. From 1967 too. That book is located
      in a special library in a suburb of Reykjavík(far away from me). I
      might take a look later,but do not have time for now.

      Bless,bless. Einar.


      > I am not trying to cause any trouble for you here. I am just
      curious.
      > But why are you so sure he copied that information from somebody
      > else?
      > Are there any descriptions from ancient literature you know of that
      > can support your statement. And that literature must of course be
      > from the period that Procopius lived in or from earlier
      periods.
      > And then it must be shown that he probably had access to that
      > information.
      > If such written descriptions do exist, have they been analysed
      > properly and compared with Procopius writings about that subject.??
      >
      > And at last then I want to say that I respect your opinion even if
      I
      > do not have the same
      opinion.
      > And I do respect your knowledge and enjoy your
      contributions.
      > But I honestly think that we should stop discussing Procopius for a
      > while.
      > But I would be happy having a comment from you on this letter.
      >
      > What is needed is good and solid archaeological reaserch and
      > hopefully some DNA reaserch to cast some new light on this debate.
      >
      > And remember. I am criticizing Goffart in this letter, not you.
      > And he might very well be a very good and competent Historian. But
      > that does not make him a specialist in analyzing human behavior or
      > behavioral patterns of people(individuals or groups).
      >
      > Bless,bless. Einar.
      >
      >
      >
      > >
      > >
    • troels_brandt
      ... Heruls ... Dirk, Actually this whole chapter of Gothic Wars was dedicated the consequences of those returning Heruls . ... both ... Heruls) ... a ... I
      Message 78 of 78 , Dec 10, 2001
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        --- In gothic-l@y..., "faltin2001" <dirk@s...> wrote:
        > --- In gothic-l@y..., "troels_brandt" <trbrandt@p...> wrote:
        > You cannot seriously assume that he was speaking of 'returning
        Heruls'
        > when he wrote about people from the island of Thule coming to
        > Constantinopel.

        Dirk,

        Actually this whole chapter of Gothic Wars was dedicated the
        consequences of those "returning Heruls".

        >
        > BTW, I got two replies from Swedish archaeologists whom I contacted
        > directly. One of them worked at the royal tombs at Uppsala, but
        both
        > of them completely reject the idea of East Germans (let alone
        Heruls)
        > having anything to do with Sweden. In fact, one of them calls this
        a
        > 'resilient myths' that has absolutely no foundation in archaeology.


        I already made my comments to such claims in MSG 5162.

        Troels
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