Re: More on the Gothic-Slavic link
- --- In gothic-l@y..., andreas.schwarcz@u... wrote:
> Dear Dirk,the
> yes, I think the case of the Hevelli is similar. The oldest source
> mentioning them is the Bavarian Geographer ca.845 AD, who calls
> them Hehfeldi. Next are Widukind of Corvey, I, 35, "Sclavos, qui
> dicuntur Hevelli" and Thietmar of Merseburg, IV, 29, "Stoderaniam
> qui Heveldun dicuntur" and a charter of Otto I (MGH DO I 105) of
> 948 AD "provincia Heveldun". Their name is derived from the river
> Havel, their proper slavic name seems to have been Stodor'ane.
> There was a sanctuary of the god Triglav on the Harlungenberg near
> Brandenburg and that may have had some influence on the
> historizing misnaming of them as Heruli in the eleventh century.
> But the citations with Hevelli or Heruli are clearly younger than
> ones cited above.Hello Andreas,
> Kind regards
that seems plausible. I am surprised though that the name Heruli was
still known after some 600 years afer they ceized to exist. Or from
another point of view, I am surpised that people like Helmold and/or
Adam were so familiar with ancient authors like Procopius. But I
agree, the placename Harlungenberge may have given them the idea of
linking the Heveller/Heveldi (which was the German name for the
Stodorane, i.e. Havel-dweller) with the Heruli.
It makes one wonder to what extent ancient authors like Procopius,
Jordanes, or even Ptolemy have slipped tribal names and events into
their narratives only to show their familiarity with older sources.
- Dear Oskar,
on the whole I agree with Dirk on the Heruli or (philologically better)
Eruli. I do not know any single book or monography on the Eruli
either, but the last and newest word on them is the article "Heruler"
(philology by G.Neumann, language, history and archeology by
M.Taylor) in Hoops. Reallexikon der germanischen
Altertumswissenschaften 2nd ed., vol.14. Berlin, New York 1999,
pp.468-474, where you will also find a long and exhaustive
bibliography on them.
Institut für österreichische Geschichtsforschung
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