Re: Goths and Bavaria
- hI kETH,
--- In gothic-l@y..., keth@o... wrote:
> Hello Dirk!
> who are supposed to have come from Bohemia. (any connection with
> the Boii?)
The Boii were a Celtic tribe who gave the name "Bohemia" (from
Boio-haemus). "Baju-wari" means in fact "dwellers of the Boii(-land)",
because they lived in Bohemia before coming in Bavaria.
> However when I looked under "Bairisch" (writen with "i", whereas
> is written with "y" - any one know why?), the Brockhaus referred to
> "deutsche mundarten" and under that topos I found an interesting map
> of the Germanic dialects. And there I found something that surprised
> me; for it became clear that linguists refer to the language spoken
> Tirol *also as bairisch ! ! ! Now why didn't that come up on the
> as we discussed this before? I even specifically mentioned Süd
> with Bozen and the Brenner. Now if all that is *also Bairisch
> ically speaking), then that changes things quite a bit. No wonder I
> found I could understand Bairisch when I visited there some years
> after having spent many months in Tirol.
> You see, what I thought until now, was that Bairisch referred
> the dialect spoken within the present borders of the Teilstaat
> But if the dialect spoken in Tirol (Innsbruck!) is also bairisch,
> then that changes things quite a bit from my point of view.
> However, what the map *also says (o, erstaunen, erstaunen) is that
> Vienna is *also in the "bairischen mundarten" area. Now, that is
> beginning to sound a bit odd to me. For if there is something that
> is certain, then it is that the "Wienersprache" has a very distinct
> note to it, that distinguishes it from other Austrian dialects.
> And especially "bairisch". More likely is perhaps the attribution
> of Steiermärkisch to bairisch, but even that is a long distance
> from Tirol, and clearly distinguishable, even to my ear. (or maybe
> especially to my ear)
In all the classifications of the German dialects that I have seen,
one division of the "Oberdeutsch" part of Hochdeutsch is
Bairisch(-Österreichisch), where are included not only the dialects of
Bavaria, but also those of Austria and the Alto Adige (= South Tirol)
province of northern Italy.
- --- In gothic-l@y..., keth@o... wrote:
>...Mediolanum is considered a Celtic toponym, meaning "middle plain".
> And besides, if it was the Kelts who founded it, then its
> original name might not have been "Mediolanum", which sounds
> Latin to me.
medio- "middle" is Celtic, inherited from Indo-European, that's why it
sound similar to Lat. medius, Goth. midjis, Greek mezos, Sanskrit
lan- "field, plain" appears in many Celtic topnyms.
Only the ending -um indicates a latinization of the original Celtic