[gothic-l] Re: HIST:Gauts and Eruli
- "=?iso-8859-1?q?bertil_h=e4ggman?=" <bertil.haggma-@...>
> The migration from Scandinavia likely took placeHails, Bertil!
> around the Birth of Christ. It is probable that small
> groups continued to migrate during the Era of Great
> Migration from southern Scandinavia to the continent.
> The Goti and the Eruli arrived at the Black Sea between
> before 200 AD and started raiding the areas around
> the Black Sea and around Greece some time ca. 250 AD.
> It would be interesting to know more about the claim that
> Gotlanders migrated to the Black Sea area 400 AD.
> Bertil Haggman
What I meant was that the Gotlanders were probably emigrating around
280 AD, when it is mentioned in the "Gutasaga", that one third at this
event were emigrating. Around 280 AD, you also see a decrease in the
settlements, graves etc(the first building stages of
Torsburgi-fortress, is actually dated to around 280 AD). The people
must have taken some time on them to reach the Black sea. So at least
until the end of 300c and beginning of the 400c, people were probably
moving out. But I wouldn´t be surprised if people were moving out to
the prosperous Black sea area also much later in the 400c.
> Many scandinavians might haveof
> emigrated, and the period 300-500c AD sees a drastical reduction
> settlements, agriculture. On the same time the amount of weaponseems
> to increase dramatically(Mårten Stenberger). Scandinaviansappears to
> be in contact with the turmoil on the continent, and also takingpart.
> I think that the gauts and the "gutar", feeling a relation to thealso
> goths, might have emigrated to the Black sea until 400c. A source
> mentions "Rodulf" of the "ranii", probably people of "Ranriki",today´s > Bohuslän, travelling to the ostrogothic empire. A
reference about Tiode-
> rik(who for the norsemen seems to have been a great hero)on theRök
> runestone. That could explain the expansion of the gothic empiresat
> the Black sea, constantly getting settlers from the starvingScandinavia
> (Norway and Denmark too?). The "America" of that time?because it
> Jutes might have been included among the "geats" in Beowulf,
> might have been difficult for anglosaxons 2-3 days travel fromtheir
> homeland at least hundred years later to separate between the*gutans,
> *gauti-gutans or *gautans? and *jutans? It is possible that juteswere
> also included in the term:"west-danes".
- In January there was a long discussion about Heruls. My purpose is
not to bring up that kind of discussion again, but I promised to
explain my unproven theory later on.
The article is too long to be put on this list, but interested
listmembers can find it as a homepage:
To avoid a repetition of the earlier discussions, listmembers are
welcome to mail directly to me.
My article brings up some similarities between ON / OE names and
names of Herulian, Gothic and Lombardian kings. I have not used them
as arguements, as I have no expertice in that field. If someone
reading the homepage is able to help me, I will be grateful.
Bertil and I have earlier mentioned Ingemar Nordgren, who wrote a PhD-
assertation about the origin of the Goths in 1999. For the benefit of
the Scandinavian listmembers I can tell that a book containing most
of his assertation is now going to be published in Swedish by the
publisher: Historieforum Västra Götaland, Göteborg. The
is "Goterkällan. Om goterna i Norden och på kontinenten".