- The Crimean Gothic, located in south-western Crimea, became ... this, ... the ... a ... Caucasia, ... also ... have ... though ... did ... century). ... HailsMessage 1 of 9 , Dec 2, 1999View SourceThe Crimean Gothic, located in south-western Crimea, became
> extinguished about the middle of the 18th century [what is attestingthis,
> since it was mentioned for the last time by Busbecq in the middle ofthe
> 16th century??]. Another descendant of Gothic that also survived fora
> longer time was Tetraxites, spoken on the Taman peninsula (inCaucasia,
> but close to Crimea), which became extinguished in the 18th centuryalso
> [what is the evidence? Is there some certificate?] and of which wehave
> no remains.though
> The words of Busbecq's list show clearly that the Crimean Gothic,
> not unaffected by Iranian influence, was still a form of Gothic.sources:
> Below I list all the Crimean Gothic words that I found in several
> ada = egg (probably < Go. *addja- < Gmc. *ajja-)
> ano = hen (Go. *hanó, fem. of hana "cock")
> apel = apple (Gmc.)
> bars = beard (Gmc.)
> bruder = brother (Go. bróþar)
> fyder = four (Go. fidwór)
> geen = to go (Gmc.)
> hazer = thousand (Iranic, cf. Pers. hazár)
> mine = moon (Go. ména)
> myche = sword (go. mékeis)
> schieten = to shoot (Gmc. *skiutan)
> stap = he-goat (probably Iranic, cf. Pers. chabish)
> Does anybody know also other words? It's very interesting to see how
> evolve this language from Wulfila (4th century) to Busbecq (16thcentury).
As far as I know they had their own bishopric, Gothia, dissolved in
In the book "Gutarnas Historia" by Tore Gannholm, he writes a
comparison between Crimean gothic and Gutamål. I quote in the same
Stein "stone" Stein
Stega "twenty" Stäjg
Salt "salt" Salt
Broe "bread" Broe
Hus "house" Hus
Lamb "sheep" Lamb
Wasti "disguise, cover" vast"fieldcover, fence"
Ga-runs "market" Garn"trading-place"
- ... It seems the Crimean Goths became Catholic quite early on. Many of the Gothic viking expeditions of the 250s originated from the Crimea and largeMessage 2 of 9 , Dec 2, 1999View SourceTomas Mac an Chrosain wrote:
> I was very interested in this subject as well. I was trying to find outIt seems the Crimean Goths became Catholic quite early on. Many of the
> what happen to the descendents of the Goths of Crimea, but some people
> posted some messages months ago indicating the only conclusion I could
> come to is that they may have been killed off or assimilated. Perhaps
> someone could provide us with some references. Goths belonged to the
> church which was Arian in Christology, but later surely become Orthodox
> or Catholic (as in Western Europe). I'm sure the Crimean Goths were
> probably Orthodox Christians under the Patriarch of Kiev.
Gothic 'viking' expeditions of the 250s originated from the Crimea and
large numbers of orthodox Roman captives brought to the area probably
set the scene. In 404 AD the Crimean Goths asked the Patriarch John
Chrysostom for a Catholic bishop to replace Unila, who Chrysostom had
appointed earlier and who had since died. In 548 they made a
similar request to Constantinople and also for military aid against
their Hunnic neighbours.
Three other snippets about the Crimean Goths: Procopius describes
one of the encounters between the Crimean Goths and the Huns and
says they repelled Hunnic cavalry by forming a 'fence' of shields
bristling with spears.
Theodoric the Great also formally asked the Crimean Goths to join
his expedition to Italy, but they declined with thanks (out of respect
for an Amal but due to religious reservations perhaps?)
In about 1750 a Jesuit from Vienna named Mondorf ransomed a prisoner
from the Turkish galleys who turned out to be from the Crimea and
whose native language bore a resemblance to German. If this was
a corrupted form of Gothic, this means that there were still
people speaking (something like) Gothic as recently as 250 years ago.
I, like Francisc, would also like to know if there is a full list
of Crimean Gothic on the web. Here are a few more words which I've
pieced together from various sources:
goltz = gold (Go. gulths)
schlipen = sleep (Go. slepan)
statz = earth, ground (Go. staths 'place')
baar = boy (Go. barn 'child')
wichtgata = white (Go. hweitata)
tzo = thou (Go. thu)
ies = he (Go. is)
Apparently Busbecq's list also included the Crimean Gothic numerals
up to ninety, which are all recognisably Gothic, though the numbers
for 100 and 1000 are apparently Iranian.
Hopefully others can add to this list and to the information about
this fascinating last pocket of Gothia.
- This might be of interest to some people here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Germanic-L/message/13590 The article contains a detailed discussion of CrimeanMessage 3 of 9 , Feb 4, 2005View SourceThis might be of interest to some people here:
The article contains a detailed discussion of Crimean Gothic sounds
and an interpretation of the song Busbecq recorded.