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  • Ingemar Nordgren
    Hi Authari! I am glad you could use my suggestion. Thank you for your very thorough report about the last results in the Crimea! My very best wishes! Ingemar
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 5, 2009
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      Hi Authari!

      I am glad you could use my suggestion. Thank you for your very
      thorough report about the last results in the Crimea!

      My very best wishes!
      Ingemar


      --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, "authari" <authari@...> wrote:
      >
      > Dear Ingemar
      > Thank you for information.
      > Just some notices. Your etimolomology fits situation very well.
      > Shulanda is on a plateau near mountain pass through rock perimeter.
      > This pass id blocked by fortress wall of rubble stone. There is also a
      > concentration of stone constructions with Late Roman pottery. Shulanda
      > is only 2-3 kilometers from Eski-Kermen â€" Byzantine fortress built in
      > 6-7 cc. Some kilometers to the West from Shulanda excavated
      > cemeteries Saharnaja Golovka, Inkerman and Chornaja rechka with
      > cremations and other Germanic features.
      > Some notices
      > It was surprising for me to read about Germanic origin of Alusta
      > toponim because it has very good greek explanation. Aluston and
      > Gorzubitae were build by Justinian the Great and are inside an area of
      > distribution of cemeteries Type Suuk-su (with some Germanic features).
      > As for the Uskut it is outside Gothic area (most eastern cemetery of
      > this type at South Coast partly excavated by Lysenko and Teslenko two
      > years ago at Semidvorje â€" several kilometers to the east from
      > Alushta). Kurtiev is never mentioned in works of any serious
      > scientist; he is not researcher but story writer. Superanskaya’s
      > collection of toponims (it is not a map, no map provided) is of almost

      > no value â€" all of it taken from popular books and turistic maps, even
      > I know more. Crimean toponimics is not lost â€" almost all of it were
      > collected by recently dead Bel’ansky. He put several thousands of it
      > on the map (I have a copy, sorry it is still unpublished).
      > Tatarian onomastics are extremely surprising mixture. Now among most
      > popular names is Marlen (Marx-Lenin), Lemara (Lenin-Marx) and many of
      > turcic, Arabian, Slavic, Caucasian, Persian, Cenral Asian origin.
      > Local bureau of passport registration gone crazy when they had
      > repatriated. Some of it has no uniform pronunciation (several
      > variants). It was said about Gafrid.
      >
      > As for the archeological evidences of Crimean goths. There are near
      > one hundred cemeteries of 6-9 cc AD (some of it started even in late
      > 4th century) known as catacomb cemetries of type Suuk-su and disposed
      > in the South coast and SW Crimea (to the west from Alma river).
      > Let you turn to publications of A.I. Ajbabin. (he had excavated
      > Luchistoje, Eski-kermen, Bakla and some more sites and issued some
      > pornographies and plenty of articles.
      > More than that two cemetries with cremations and weapons of 4-5 cc AD
      > (Ay-Todor near Oreanda and Chatyr-Dag near Alushta) are Germanic but
      > not Gothic (may be herulian). Near Partenites (between Yalta and
      > Alushta) they had excavated Late Roman sanctuary Aligora with bif
      > fireplace, crashed glass vessel, terra sigilata and hand made pottery
      > dated by coins of Gallian usurpers (Tetric etc). It was possible
      > German mercenaries or pirates.
      > Ay-Todor excavated and published in several articles of Orlov in 80-ies.
      > Chatyr-Dag are receintly published as a book
      > Several cemeteries with cremations are also excavated or found around
      > Chersones (now all of it are robbed).
      > Germans at Kerch peninsula is a separate tale; now I don’t want
      touch it.
      >
      > Mangup.
      > Archeological expedition of Tavrian National univ. (Simferopol)
      > excavates this site for decades. Very few material is published.
      > Dissertation of prof. Alexander Gertsen about fortifications system
      > (Russian lang.) issued in 1990 now is accessible via internet- if
      > anybody need I will find the link Last years we get material which
      > proved that fortress was built not at the time of Justinian but
      > earlier â€"V century. Settlement at Mangup plateau with Late Roman
      > material existed even in the and of IV c AD. Material from Lagernaya
      > Balka gives except pottery, amphorae (mostly imported) terra sigilata,
      > coins and animal bones also some fibulae of pure Chernjahov type.
      > There are several catacomb cemetries of 4-9 cc at the outskirts of
      > Mangup. I had excavated some. Two months ago finished works of
      > Sidorenko at cemetery of 6-8 cc near Khodzha-sala.
      > Most important cemetery is Almalyk â€" it gives rich comlices of late 4
      > â€" late 8 cc AD. Ther are some graves with luxury finds of type
      > Untersiebenbrunn. It even not only similar â€" some is identical. Here
      > also fount one cremation grave, two kurgans and horse graves (similar
      > to Djurso cemetery near Anapa â€" which belonged as they think to
      > tetraxites). We found there also some swords (2 short and 2 spatha),
      > many arrowheads of hunnic type and plates of bone for bows.
      > One spath with silber buckles was fount in a separate pit inside
      > chamber grave â€" it was hidden.
      > Two years I have found in a grave of early 6 c. an umbo (shield-boss)
      > of type very close to Horula. Seems like swords was not rare here
      > â€" there are many pieces of it found with a flintstones in sets for
      > ignition, but it was not common to put it inside grave. This fact is
      > surprised a bit because this population was alano-gothic mixture and
      > for alans swords in graves are common.
      > Materials of near 100 graves of Almalyk and some nearest cemetries of
      > this type is now processed by Dr. Magdalena Manczynska (Lodz) and this
      > year I hope will be published as a catalogue in Germany.
      > RGZM taken samples of 30 skeletons of DNA from Almalyk â€" soon we will
      > know results
      > I have many publications in PDF (like Chatyr-Dag, Sacharnaya Golovka
      > (Sovkhoz 10) etc.
      > If anybody need it I can put it on rapidshare. Sorry it is Russian
      > language.
      >
      > The best book about Goths in Ukraine and Crimea is MB Schukin “Gotskij
      > Put’” â€" “Gothish way” â€" in it you can find almost all
      bibliography.
      > http://rapidshare.com/files/85431329/Shukin_Gotish_way.pdf.html
      >
      > I have made a website about Mangup excavations
      > It has English version. http://mangexp.narod.ru/index.html
      >
      >
      > Some photos from Almalyk
      > Glass bowl from chamber grave 2 (5th century)- 3D reconstruction
      > http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9185/glassmiswh1.jpg
      >
      > Artificially deformed scull from Chamber grave 191 (early 6 cent)
      > http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5479/scull1lm3.jpg
      >
      > Inside a chamber grave
      > http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1172/ksjuqj4.jpg
      >
      > Gold anthropomorphic plates (V c AD)
      > http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8719/plaquesqw4.jpg
      >
      > Best wishes
      > Serge
      >
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