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Getas Basileis. Historical Odin revisited

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  • dciurchea
    Abstract. Near Cluj-Napoca, in a well known antic site, a seal with a cross was found in a gepidic tomb.The exhibition is very recent. This is related to the
    Message 1 of 1 , Mar 2, 2008
      Near Cluj-Napoca, in a well known antic site, a seal with a cross was
      found in a gepidic tomb.The exhibition is very recent. This is
      related to the Getic logo on antic coins. Moreover the site
      corresponds to the description of old Dacian Sarmizegetusa. This
      supports the statement of Jordanes that Gots and Gets are the same kin
      (rulers). This also suggests that a better model for the incoming of
      Gepids in Transylvania is reconsidering the hypothesis by Gibbon on
      historical Odin: a better fit is given by the king Duras of Dacia
      which left the kingdom of Dacia to Decebalus in 87AD.

      The need for the guess of an east germanic tribe to explain
      historical events is eliminated. Only rulers, feuds and wars, but
      no "migration" as incoming data. The direction is two-wards.

      The global interpretation of the data in the National Museum of
      History of Transylvania along with the pictures on the Trajan's
      column supports the interpretation that the religion of the Dacians
      (and threfore Gets) was Mithraic.

      1. Getas Basileis
      1a. Sarmizegetusa. More at http://download.academic.ro/Vlaha/index.htm

      We try to bring to life the significance of such words as "sighet" -
      engl. creek and sarmas-salted water which apparently enter in the
      name of Sarmizegetusa, the alleged capital of the last Dacian king
      These words remained through time in the language of the shepherds
      and remained intact as basic geographic notions, a matter of life and
      death for these people.
      Sarmis denotes the 4 Somes rivers in Transylvania: the Grand, Small,
      Warm and Cold. Moreover Särmas is a
      frequent village name.

      Sarmas means salted water. It is very frequent since Transylvania is
      the bottom of the sarmatic sea.

      We have today: Saliste,Sarata, Saratura, Saratel, Sarateni, Sarile,
      Sarmas (5), Sarmasel, Sarmasag.
      We have not found (yet) Sargetel and Sarmagel or Sarmagata (look at
      Trajan's Sargetia).
      Sarmatau is impossible, since 'tau' denotes a source of flowing
      Therefore, Sarmis should be a small river, passing near a salt
      deposit; Sargetia (sargâtza-in today Romanian), a small river near
      the citadell (where the treasure was hidden) may be found, but not a
      creek of 2 salted rivers. Perhaps they meant the Somes but the
      combination Somesseged didn't sound enough triumphalistic.

      Let us continue with the sighet word. It denotes a confluence:

      Szeged in Hungary- confluence of Mures and Tisa
      Sighisoara (small confluence) Tarnava Mica and Shes
      Sighetu Marmatiei Tisa and Iza
      Sighetu Silvaniei (near Zalau) Crasna and Zalau
      Sighii (plural, called SIBIU on maps- an incompetent alteration of
      the original romanian name), many
      afluents of the Cibin River

      We get the word SIGHET in dacian, suggesting that today romanian is
      actually the same old dacian.
      Therefore, we have 3 hypothesis for the confluence of then two
      Sarmis/Somes :
      - Near DEJ (confluence of Grand Somes/Sarmis with Small Somes/Sarmis).
      We know that Trajan destroyed the Dacian citadel and build a Roman
      Castrum. No convincing traces were found there however.

      - Confluence of Warm Somes with Cold Somes at Gilau.
      One also has a smaller river passing by, called today Sarata which
      may be the antic Sargetia where Decebal hided his treasure. It is
      well in the mountains.
      There is an old stone fortress there, called "Cetatea Fetei" -
      uninvestigated archeologically perhaps assigned to another Romanian
      hero, Voievod Gelou, beatten by hungarians in 895. However, there is
      a Roman castrum founded in 106 AD by Trajan there.
      The nearby village Vlaha suggests a matrix of old Transylvanian

      At Dabâca, at 30 km away of both Cluj-Napoca and Gilau another
      fortress, also assigned to Gelou may be found. We mention that in
      Transylvania (family) names are formed starting with the village of
      origin while surnames are given. Thus, Ioan Giloan is John from Gilau
      and Ioan Calborean is John from Calbor. Thus Gelou may be the family
      name of the IX-th century hero. BUT, for Dabâca, the name of the
      natives is formed as Däbalä. Thus we get the origin of the name of
      the last Dacian King and his village, which ressembles to Decebalus.

      I encountered such a contraction of sounds personally: Gordes from
      Gheorghies, because the special group Ghe (or Dece in our case) is
      negligently pronounced. This also explains the origin of the dacians
      people name.

      When Decebalus lost the fortress, he left, but was captured by Romans
      at 60 km away at Porolissum, i.e Moigrad today. This would'nt be
      possible with the Roman army at Hunedoara at 300 km away.
      Therefore we believe having indicated the proper location of
      Decebal's last fight.

      Dabâca always had an important administrative role, including in the
      middle ages, when it was center of a comitate (county). While the
      antic water pipe is still functioning today, there is no Somes-Sighet
      there and no salted water. It might be the village of origin of
      Decebalus. (i.e. both Decebalus and Gelou mastered both Gilau and
      Däbâca citadels, separated by 30km).

      Thus everything happened near Cluj-Napoca, which is a very populated
      area. Chances to find huge treasuries or artefacts are scarce.
      However, the History Museum there may supply lot of encouraging

      b. In previous posts I showed that Jordannes "Galtis on Aucha"
      (Aluta) corresponds to Galati, near Fagaras and that Flautasis
      (Raftsmen) corresponds to the Bistritza/Cogeanus south border of
      Moldavia before 1500. Galtis in the antic acception (e.g. in Sapain)
      should be taken as betten earth citadel.

      c. In sept 2006, a fabulous site was discovered in Floresti, near
      Cluj-Napoca, Romania. A few month before that I have published that
      the location (see 1a above) corresponds to the same site.
      The exhibition of the artefacts shows a seal with a cross which
      undoubtely means the seal of the Gets, according to poorly documented
      antic coins which bear the same logo and the label "Getas ...
      Basileis". These coins were also found in Babylon, also in agreement
      with Jordannes on the wars with Ramses (lost reference-volunteer
      - seal:http://download.academic.ro/columna/polus/Sigiliu.gif
      - back of seal:http://download.academic.ro/columna/polus/Pistil.gif
      - coin: http://download.academic.ro/columna/polus/moneda.gif

      Nearby, the largest gepid necropola (500 tombs), the antic Napoca,
      attested former gepid royal residences. See also Erdely Tortenete
      (http://mek.oszk.hu/02100/02109/html/17.html - the english version is
      incomplete: Mihacs garden denotes the garden of the local landlord,
      10 km upstream).

      2.d. Orhodoxian christian canonic representation of "Christ as a
      judge" consists in Christ dressed with a robe painted with crosses in
      circles or squares. I suggest this is a canonic posture for a ruling
      Voievoda (Basileus)-not Zeus on coins.

      2.Historical Odin revisited

      2.a. Vlahii Sarmatae are a people appearing in north Transylvania on
      the Tabula Peutingeriana. Also the prince of Vlachs appears in
      Niebelungen Lied. A hill(stone) near Cluj Napoca bears the name of
      Feleak (closer to the sanskrit Valaka). The meaning of Vlaha/ ValaKa
      is a diminutive for valley and is not quite unique to the Cluj Napoca
      surroundins, but fits with Valaskialf of Woden who is supposed to be
      a king not a shepherd.
      In Romanian, Woda (see Wodan) comes from Voie-va-da(u)(I allow you
      to ...)- meaning judge or ruler. Not slavian warrior. The slavs
      (Carintia) had Voievoda as rulers/Judges not as warriors !

      2.b. Duru(yielding Duras), from "a durui" means thunder/make thunder
      noise in Romanian, e.g. Duruitoare=water fall, etc. This fits the
      war name of Wodan, Thor.

      2.c. Wodan appears in Denmark after 88AD whiled Duras leaves Dacia
      in 87 AD, after beating Fuscus, an event marked in Jordannes. Since a
      hiatus appears among the rulers, north and south Alutus (today Olt)
      it is normal to have a Jordannes ignoring the northen kingdom
      conquered by the Romans.

      2.d. Transylvania (Dacia), similarly to Denmark is the only kingdom
      where the people is called scithians (siculy >>>seklars today),
      dacians and gets altogether along with RUNES.

      2.e. The elder futark rune42. Järsberg Stone (1st half of the 6th
      "C1: /// ubaR hite: harabanaR
      C2: hait ///
      C3: ek erilaR
      C4: runoR w
      C5: aritu"

      contains the word "harabanaR". This may be taken as today's
      Romanian "Darabantz"- eagle. The Presidential Guard in Romania is
      called today "1. Darabanti" - with the secondary sense of
      heroes: "800000 dorabantz fell for the union of Romania in WWI".

      Along with this one, many other elder futark runes contain the
      invocation "haide" (let's ... (do something) in Romanian).

      2.d. It is believed that Transylvania comes from hungarian Erdely.
      However the today name of Transylvania, as kept by Romanians is
      ARGHEAL (currently Ardeal, as Sibiu for Sighiu and yielding erdely).
      There are many toponimics in Transylvania with arg: Argheal, Arghies,
      Aghires, Agarbiciu, Arghies(Ariesh). In romanic languages it means
      silver, but the toponimics match better the sanskrit description of
      divine or sweet.
      Therefore I advance the hypothesis that the tradition assigned to
      Odin of naming Sweden after his country shoud mean sweet or divine.

      2.e. This origin of Odin explains the interest of its inheritors for
      the "gepidic" kingdom-Transylvania- and the joke mentioned by
      Jordannes which only has meaning in Romanian ("what the heck").

      2f. The first mention of a "voloke"(see 2a) tribe in 168AD appers
      also in Erdely Tortenete as "victovoloke". The "east germanic"
      attribute deduced by the authors is ignored in this paper and should
      be regarded as doubtfull and far fetched.

      2.g. A review of the sagas reveals mistic aspects of Mithraic origin
      (the serpent) which also appears in Etruscan and Dacian artefacts.
      I charge that "Draco" (the Dacian Flag, Dracia>>Dacia, Drakkar for
      viking ships) means Nidhog, actually-the devil, the underground worm
      of death.

      2.h. I deduce that Vareg might mean "Varec", little cousin.

      2.g. There is a Vlaherne quarter in Constantinopole from antic times.
      Tradition says it was founded by a Voievoda. There is a Voievoda road
      in Constantinopole(today Istanbul).

      Discussion and conclusions

      1. Data in Jordannes is rather accurate, yielding a fabulous
      contribution to the history of Dacia and Romania.
      2. Skilled Romanian language is also required to back substitute
      antic Greek and Latin references.
      3. As a concept,"Gothic" should represent a language spoken in the
      west, rulers and personel, and may be German not Romanian. The
      migration hypothesis is not neccessary, just adjustment of
      the "historical Odin" issue. Gracious thanks to Prof. Nordgren for
      his implicit suggestion.
      4. I stress that antic and feudal rules speak what language they
      pleased, bought whatever jewelry they liked and therefore no
      conclusion may be dram as to the 'national language' of the
      inhabitants of the feud, BUT for toponimics.
      5. A semantic difference may appear between the house of Odin-Goths
      on one side and the local families-Gets, the difference beeing
      obscure apart at the level of ruling families and does not apply to
      commons.My guess is that Vulfilla may have or not visited Romania,
      but he did preach to rulers not Romanian shepherds(whatever their
      mother tongue).
      5. Romanians do not call themselves as Gets or Vlachs; this supports
      my previous statement that "get" means of clear ancestry (OK for
      gentry) and Vlach and derivatives a feud.-I put it in Cluj, yielding
      later the Gelu's Voievodate and later the Doboka(Decebalus fief)-
      Solnok duchy.

      -Volunteers needed. The list is too long for a post.
      (c) D. Ciurchea 2008
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