7116Re: GUTANI WIHAILAG
- Jul 1, 2003Thanks it was the use of the H that was of interest, and the Th
sound not the T sound, that is got transformed from.
That makes sense to me,
Is this kind of transformation common?
Are therE other examples ?
--- In email@example.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor@y...>
> Hello, Ravian
> I didn't understand very well your question, but I'll try to give
> Gutane (which can be read on the golden necklace of the Gothic
> treasury of Pietroasa, Romania) was interpreted (among other
> alternatives, see Dirk's recent messages) as genitive plural of a
> masculie n-stem *Gutan-, which would be in nominative singular
> plural *Gutans, thus *Gutane would mean "of the Goths" (cf.there).
> Köbler's "Gotisches Wörterbuch" and the literature indicated
> The feminine form would be Guto "Gothic woman", which is attestedas
> a personal name. It is shure that the Goths used for themselves theto
> root Gut-, the word Gut-thiuda "Goth-people" (= "Gothic people")
> being attested in the Gothic Calendar.
> Now regarding the modern English word Goth. According to Webster's
> New World College Dictionary, it is derived from late Latin Gothi,
> which in it's turn comes from Greek Gothoi (or Gotthoi, according
> my Old Greek dictionary). The "h" was apparently introduced by thein
> Greeks. In Old Greek "th" (theta) was an aspirated [t] and not the
> English interdental sond "th". In Latin, "th" was only a graphy, it
> was read [t]. It is noteworthy that in Latin is attested also the
> form "Goti", namely in Gothic Latin texts (see Köbler), which means
> that the original sound was "t", not "th". It is also worth to
> mention that the Old English form is "Gotan" (see Webster),
> without "h" and with the same n-stem as in the putative Gothic form
> *Gutan-. Also in other languages, the name of the Goths doesn't
> contain the "h", for example the German "Goten" (again n-stem!).
> Regarding the transformation short [u] > short [o], it is attested
> all Germanic languages and also in later stage of Gothic (latinizedcentury).
> Gothic words in latin sources, Crimean Gothic words of XVIth
> With best regards,
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Ravi Chaudhary"
> <ravichaudhary2000@y...> wrote:
> > To both of you
> > How do one derive Goth from Gut- ane.?
> > Ravi
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