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7116Re: GUTANI WIHAILAG

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  • Ravi Chaudhary
    Jul 1, 2003
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      Thanks it was the use of the H that was of interest, and the Th
      sound not the T sound, that is got transformed from.


      That makes sense to me,

      Is this kind of transformation common?

      Are therE other examples ?

      Ravi




      --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor@y...>
      wrote:
      > Hello, Ravi
      >
      > I didn't understand very well your question, but I'll try to give
      an
      > answer.
      > Gutane (which can be read on the golden necklace of the Gothic
      > treasury of Pietroasa, Romania) was interpreted (among other
      > alternatives, see Dirk's recent messages) as genitive plural of a
      > masculie n-stem *Gutan-, which would be in nominative singular
      *Guta,
      > plural *Gutans, thus *Gutane would mean "of the Goths" (cf.
      > Köbler's "Gotisches Wörterbuch" and the literature indicated
      there).
      > The feminine form would be Guto "Gothic woman", which is attested
      as
      > a personal name. It is shure that the Goths used for themselves the
      > root Gut-, the word Gut-thiuda "Goth-people" (= "Gothic people")
      > being attested in the Gothic Calendar.
      > Now regarding the modern English word Goth. According to Webster's
      > New World College Dictionary, it is derived from late Latin Gothi,
      > which in it's turn comes from Greek Gothoi (or Gotthoi, according
      to
      > my Old Greek dictionary). The "h" was apparently introduced by the
      > Greeks. In Old Greek "th" (theta) was an aspirated [t] and not the
      > English interdental sond "th". In Latin, "th" was only a graphy, it
      > was read [t]. It is noteworthy that in Latin is attested also the
      > form "Goti", namely in Gothic Latin texts (see Köbler), which means
      > that the original sound was "t", not "th". It is also worth to
      > mention that the Old English form is "Gotan" (see Webster),
      > without "h" and with the same n-stem as in the putative Gothic form
      > *Gutan-. Also in other languages, the name of the Goths doesn't
      > contain the "h", for example the German "Goten" (again n-stem!).
      > Regarding the transformation short [u] > short [o], it is attested
      in
      > all Germanic languages and also in later stage of Gothic (latinized
      > Gothic words in latin sources, Crimean Gothic words of XVIth
      century).
      >
      > With best regards,
      > Francisc
      >
      >
      > --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chaudhary"
      > <ravichaudhary2000@y...> wrote:
      > > To both of you
      > >
      > > How do one derive Goth from Gut- ane.?
      > >
      > > Ravi
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