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10703Re: Hundreds of visigothic slate stones (whiteboards) in Western Castilla (Spain).

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  • ertydfh110
    Oct 23, 2011
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      Hi O.cossue,

      Simply spectacular the link you gave. I´ve read everything and it was fascinating. Whenever you have more interesting links like this please let me know.

      I´ve read about Galicia etymology and it is incredible the quantity of germanic places names there. I´ve read somewhere in www.celtiberia.net that is one of the places with higher amount of germanic places names in Europe (without considering direct germanic countries). It is well-known the celtic connection of Galicia and Asturias but I think the germanic one is even greater.

      I didn´t know about Franco use of the Goths. I just knew about how he made the children to learn the Visigothic Kings List. But nothing else.

      In any case it is ridiculous how the germanic influence in Spain is not promoted and studied more. It is even ridiculous how scholars named the visigothic art just as "arte mozarabe". I´ve found many people thinking that mozarabe was just arabic.

      There are many complexes about the history of Spain.

      So if you have more interesting links about it, please share them.

      Cheers!.

      --- In gothic-l@yahoogroups.com, "o_cossue" <o.cossue@...> wrote:
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      > Hi, friend. No, I'm no scholar, but a learned reader and a hobbyist. My main interest are the Suevi (after all, I'm Galician), and the Romance-Germanic toponymy in Galicia (mostly personal names expressed as genitives, at places such as Mondariz, Guitiriz, Gondomar < Gundemarii, Vila Santar, Allariz, Forcarei < Fulkaredi, Gomesende, Baltar, Sandiás < Sindilanis and the like). Of course, the Germanic, Suevi, and most notably Visigothic, patrimony is probably underrated, if compared with other contribution to Iberia's cultures. Francoism, and in general nationalism, is probably guilty on this, for having used and abused the Goths and the Suevi for their ideology.
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      > On researchers going into new evidences... Well, I really appreciate the works by Aragonese scholar Javier Arce (briefly, ISBN 84-206-2347-4, ISBN 9788496467576, and the brand new "Esperando a los árabes. Los visigodos en Hispania", which I haven't had the opportunity to read, yet). He has been extracting all the juice of letters, fragments, and snippets not previously really taken into consideration... Is not that you must agree with everything he deduces (he sometimes make silly mistakes in marginal assertions) but he is really chopping the material into new views. Anyway, the subjects of his research are not the Goths, per se, but their era.
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      > On the names of the bishops, in the Suevic kingdom of Galicia 5 of 12 Catholic bishops were Suevi in 570, 6 Roman (one a Pannonian) and 1 Briton. The Visigothic kingdom shows the same tendency after the conversion under king Reccared; according to Thompson (The Goths in Spain, XII.2), the percentile of Germanic/Total bishops assisting to the councils of Toledo were:
      > Tarraconense 30,25%
      > Cartaginense 30,75%
      > Lusitania 43,75%
      > Betica 27,25%
      > Galicia 41%
      > Galia 28,5%
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      > Last but not least, a link to an academic work you may find REALLY interesting, on Visigothic necropolis in Castille. It's a little old, but fascinating: http://tdx.cat/handle/10803/2607
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      > Cheers,
      > O'Cossue.
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