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Re: Gospel of John - text revision

I think you have this right, David. The verse is unlikely to be original. Best Wishes JOHN E STATON (BA Sheffield; DipTheol. Bristol) Scarborough, North
John E Staton
Sep 24, 2016
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7223

Re: Gospel of John - text revision

Just an anecdote: I recall being told this story on the early 1960s in my Roman Catholic elementary school, where I developed an early fascination with the
Bill Skelton
Sep 23, 2016
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7222

Re: Gospel of John - text revision

I don't know anything specific about the history of its reception but it is not in the RSV or the NRSV or the NIV. Evidently it is considered not original by
Bill Skelton
Sep 23, 2016
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7221

Gospel of John - text revision

While reading about the discovery of the Codex Sinaiticus in a monastery in the Sinai Desert years ago, I learned this fourth century manuscript omitted a
David Hall
Sep 23, 2016
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7220

Re: Born from above. John 3

That would be William Temple, former Archbishop of Canterbury, Matthew, in his book "Readings in St. John's Gospel". Best Wishes JOHN E STATON (BA Sheffield;
John E Staton
Sep 23, 2016
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7219

Re: Born from above. John 3

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Matthew Estrada
Sep 22, 2016
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7218

Re: Born from above. John 3

I think you are probably right, here, David. Best Wishes JOHN E STATON (BA Sheffield; DipTheol. Bristol) Scarborough, North Yorkshire, UK
John E Staton
Sep 22, 2016
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7217

Re: Born from above. John 3

Matthew, I am concerned as you not to read things into Scripture which are not there. But we disagree about what is there. Best Wishes JOHN E STATON (BA
John E Staton
Sep 22, 2016
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7216

Re: Born from above. John 3

I think the emphasis should be on being born of the spirit, rather than placing too much emphasis on the water as water is of the flesh. There were Pharisees
David Hall
Sep 21, 2016
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Re: Born from above. John 3

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Matthew Estrada
Sep 21, 2016
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7214

Re: Born from above. John 3

I am sorry, Matthew. I find your explanation of these matters convoluted and unconvincing, and from memory I believe I found this problem more generally with
John E Staton
Sep 21, 2016
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7213

Re: Born from above. John 3

 Good morning, John. You state: "If anything, Matthew, water seems to represent the Holy Spirit in John (cf 7: 38). But because water is mentioned alongside
Matthew Estrada
Sep 20, 2016
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7212

Re: Born from above. John 3

Matthew, You have misread my post in one point. You say, "interpreting that same phrase to refer "to God or Jesus" is exactly what it does refer to! How
John E Staton
Sep 20, 2016
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7211

Re: Born from above. John 3

If anything, Matthew, water seems to represent the Holy Spirit in John (cf 7: 38). But because water is mentioned alongside the Spirit here, another sense must
John E Staton
Sep 20, 2016
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Re: Born from above. John 3

Hi Bill, I don't want to dismiss your reply either, and that is why I am responding. Here is John Stanton's argument: "When I began my ministry, an unchurched
Matthew Estrada
Sep 19, 2016
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