Re: [Gnosticism2] Re: equality
- WELL. LOL. Since PMCV requested that we not post what we think but what we think the original passages meant, I guess I'm gonna wait and see what others might say. Or think on it a bit more, because my first inclination is to say they were insane.Sincerely,
Lynette"To find the solution is to discover there is no problem."--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, pmcvflag <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Ok, Lynette, I have to concede that your request is fair. Still, I
> want to leave the point out there for some conversation, so let me
> simply point to some passages for our members here to all give
> thoughts on.
> First, let me pick the last passage in the Gospel of Thomas. I
> this out because it has been used both to argue misogyny as well as
> equality. For everyone in this discussion, I don't want to hear
> it means to you, but what you think it meant in it's original
> Next, I will pick the third paragraph in Philip. I believe this is
> one of those passages that people unfamiliar with Gnosticism have a
> hard time picking out the secret lingo, so I thought it could be an
> interesting discussion.
> Sorry all, I was going to post the actual passages, but I have to
> run. I will post them later if no one else does.
Logion 114, _The Gospel According to Thomas_:
Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not
worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make
her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles
you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will
enter the kingdom of heavens."
From _The Gospel According to Philip_:
A Gentile does not die, for the gentile has never become alive so as
to die. One who has believed in the truth has become alive; and this
person runs the risk of dying, because of being alive.
Since Christ came, the world has been created, cities have been
organized, and the dead have been buried. When we were Hebrews we
were orphans with (only) our mother, but when we became Christians we
got father and mother.
- --- In email@example.com, "Gavin Riggott" <wu@n...> wrote:
>Thank you, Gavin, for stating what *should* be obvious. Personally,
> No offense, but these one-liners don't convey an awful lot. For
> example, is that a personal oppinion or a Gnostic position? If
> the latter, could you expand on it a little, like why you brought
> it up and where it comes from, etc?
> Gavin Riggott
I think one-liners are better suited for a comedy club, so your
appeal to Reason here was much appreciated.