Re: Who (or what) is "THE DEVIL"?/Great Fall of the Spirits
- BTW, Fred, Couliano is also a very poor source for this kind of
thing.... and please, don't throw Eliade into the mix, we wish to
maintain some integrety here concerning the history of our subject.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, fred60471 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, lady_caritas <no_reply@y...>
> > Okay, Fred, then perhaps you could expand more on how you are
> > the term, "immanence"?
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=immanence
> > And considering your definition, can you provide other passages
> > Gnostic scripture to exemplify this?
> > Cari
> Hi Lady C,
> I would define "divine immanence" as the state of things as a
> of an emanationist process. It is a well accepted part of the
> of Valentinus and Basilides. In fact so well known, the system of
> successive links of Being which goes to descending levels, that it
> known by the shorthand term, the "Alexandrian schema." It is shared
> by both Gnostics and the Hermetists, as well as the Platonists and
> "... it is inherited by Plotinus from the Gnostic system he
> The thinking of the first Neoplatonist comprises an apostrophç (in
> Latin, processio), or estrangement from the essence of Being, which
> humans alone can make good by the opposite process of epistrophç
> (conversio) or return to Being.
> ... The theme of concordia discors between Plotinus and the
> (whom he fights--by proxy, so to speak--in his Enneads, II, 9) ...
> one of the favorite subjects of Hans Jonas, ... he confided to me
> that he no longer feels up to realizing the dream of his youth--to
> write the long-planned book in which he would show that Plotinus is
> the metaphysical continuator of the Gnostics ... In substance,
> Plotinus' adversaries profess a doctrine with traces of Valentinian
> Gnosticism: they believe that the world and its creator are evil
> that the very soul of the world has undergone a decline; as for
> Plotinus himself, the creator of the cosmos can only be good, the
> cosmos necessary to the perfection of the world and the soul of the
> world being above mutability. It is only individual souls that
> Nevertheless, Plotinus' schema of the emanation of Being (the so-
> called "Alexandrian schema") which is at the same time a gradual
> descent of Intellect towards matter, stems from a process of
> devolution (Hans Jonas' term) typical of the Syro-Egyptian Gnostic
> (Couliano, EMR)
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Mike Leavitt <ac998@l...> wrote:
> Hello Georgea
> On 06/16/04, you wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> > Someone on my list said modern Gnostic churches do not allow women
> > to be priests. Is that true of your church?
> > George
> Stephan ordained Rosa Miller to the priesthood, and consecrated her
> bishop. We currently have two active women priests, and an activeGnostic
> woman deacon or three, I can't keep up with it. The short answer is
> no it is not true of our church, nor is it true of the French
> Church, our confederate. It may be true of some more traditionallyHi Mike,
> Catholic Gnostic churches, milage may vary. Years ago I asked an
> old Liberal Catholic Priest (they have no women in orders to this
> day), "how can you deny one of the sacraments to half the human
> race." He was stunned by the question, and said that was the only
> thing anyone had said to him that gave him doubts about the all male
> Mike Leavitt ac998@l...
Thank you. I suspected she was wrong but didn't know for sure.