Re: Who (or what) is "THE DEVIL"?/Great Fall of the Spirits
- Fred, I have already pointed our far better scholors than Jonas who
express exactly the same concern that I do.
In fact, Hans Jonas is not a scholor of Gnostic history at all, but
of philosophy.... perhaps you would do better to read something a bit
more critical. Jonas is simply repeating outdated scholorship and
trumping it up to an almost "Da Vinci Code" level. Don't get me
wrong, Jonas has some true value, but he is also way off the deep end
Jonas' assurtions here are false, and more recent scholors are
leaving such silly sensationalism behind for a more critical stance.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, fred60471 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, pmcvflag <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Fred
> > Actually it is probably good you ask these questions. I do
> > get used to talking to others here who are familiar with the
> > historical sources, and forget that there will be a number here
> > may not know what I am talking about, but feel shy to ask. So, to
> > start with your questions....
> I feel familiar with the historical sources, I just needed a clue
> to what you were talking about.
> > Frankly though, the term "dualist" is really kind of unnecessary
> our study of Gnosticism, since nearly everyone is dualist to some
> I think dualism is an essential feature of Gnosticism, that is so
> well accepted by scholars that it hardly requires any arguement.
> now I see why you are so reluctant to stipulate that fact and wish
> suppress it. That Gnosticism is an emanationist philosophy is also
> quite apparent.
> "Gnosticism has been the most radical embodiment of dualism ever to
> have appeared on the stage of history... It is a split between the
> self and world, men's alienation from nature, the metaphysical
> devaluation of nature, the cosmic solitude of the spirit and the
> nihilism of mundane norms; and in its general extremist style is
> shows what radicalism really is."
> (Hans Jonas)
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Mike Leavitt <ac998@l...> wrote:
> Hello Georgea
> On 06/16/04, you wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> > Someone on my list said modern Gnostic churches do not allow women
> > to be priests. Is that true of your church?
> > George
> Stephan ordained Rosa Miller to the priesthood, and consecrated her
> bishop. We currently have two active women priests, and an activeGnostic
> woman deacon or three, I can't keep up with it. The short answer is
> no it is not true of our church, nor is it true of the French
> Church, our confederate. It may be true of some more traditionallyHi Mike,
> Catholic Gnostic churches, milage may vary. Years ago I asked an
> old Liberal Catholic Priest (they have no women in orders to this
> day), "how can you deny one of the sacraments to half the human
> race." He was stunned by the question, and said that was the only
> thing anyone had said to him that gave him doubts about the all male
> Mike Leavitt ac998@l...
Thank you. I suspected she was wrong but didn't know for sure.