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Re: Who (or what) is "THE DEVIL"?/Great Fall of the Spirits

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  • fred60471
    ... be ... everywhere! ... essentially ... all. ... me ... up ... reading ... Yeah, but I changed terms, now I m saying divine immanence, not pantheism.
    Message 1 of 74 , Jun 3, 2004
      --- In gnosticism2@yahoogroups.com, lady_caritas <no_reply@y...>
      wrote:
      > --- In gnosticism2@yahoogroups.com, fred60471 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
      > > --- In gnosticism2@yahoogroups.com, lady_caritas <no_reply@y...>
      be
      > >
      > >
      > > > Roelof van den Broek also speaks of the Hermetic "mystical
      > > experience
      > > > of falling together with the universe, that is to say with God
      > > > himself. In CH XIII.11, the initiated pupil exclaims with a
      > > certain
      > > > astonishment:
      > > >
      > > > I am in heaven, in earth, in water, in air; I am in
      > animals,
      > > in
      > > > plants, in the womb, before the womb, after the womb,
      everywhere!
      > > >
      > > > "It is inconceivable that a Gnostic would have had this
      > > experience.
      > > > For him the world was not transparent toward God and
      essentially
      > > > divine..." (pages 10-11)
      > >
      > > Hey Lady C,
      > >
      > > (77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them
      all.
      > > It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto
      me
      > > did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift
      up
      > > the stone, and you will find me there."
      > > (GT)
      > >
      > > To me this implies a doctrine of divine immanence, or am I
      reading
      > it
      > > wrong?
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > > fred
      >
      >
      > Hmmm,... Fred, I did remember we touched on this once before ~
      >
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gnosticism2/message/7759
      >
      >
      > Cari

      Yeah, but I changed terms, now I'm saying "divine immanence,"
      not "pantheism."

      fred
    • George Harvey
      ... a ... Gnostic ... Hi Mike, Thank you. I suspected she was wrong but didn t know for sure. George
      Message 74 of 74 , Jun 16, 2004
        --- In gnosticism2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Leavitt <ac998@l...> wrote:
        > Hello George
        >
        > On 06/16/04, you wrote:
        >
        > > Hi Mike,
        > > Someone on my list said modern Gnostic churches do not allow women
        > > to be priests. Is that true of your church?
        > >
        > > George
        >
        > Stephan ordained Rosa Miller to the priesthood, and consecrated her
        a
        > bishop. We currently have two active women priests, and an active
        > woman deacon or three, I can't keep up with it. The short answer is
        > no it is not true of our church, nor is it true of the French
        Gnostic
        > Church, our confederate. It may be true of some more traditionally
        > Catholic Gnostic churches, milage may vary. Years ago I asked an
        > old Liberal Catholic Priest (they have no women in orders to this
        > day), "how can you deny one of the sacraments to half the human
        > race." He was stunned by the question, and said that was the only
        > thing anyone had said to him that gave him doubts about the all male
        > clergy.
        >
        > Regards
        > --
        > Mike Leavitt ac998@l...

        Hi Mike,
        Thank you. I suspected she was wrong but didn't know for sure.

        George
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