Re: I am a New Member...A thinking sponge!!
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Gamdunc@w... wrote:
> Go to the Gnostic Website at gnosis.org and prepare to soak it upas it is a
> veritable fount. There are many strains of Catholicism (I'massuming Roman)in
> Gnosticism as the early Christian church included gnostics (such aslatest "Beyond Belief: the
> Valentinus). Especially, read Elaine Pagels works--her
> Secret Gospel of Thomas"-- is sublime. Listen to some of Dr.Hoeller's lectures.
> And, as I understand our faith, Gnosticism is not reallyenlightenment but
> salvation through Gnosis as bestowed in the sacraments and practiceof the faith.
>Greetings, VB and Gale.
> Very best wishes,
Gale, you have offered some excellent sources for reading.
I'm not sure, however, what you mean by "There are many strains of
Catholicism (I'm assuming Roman) in Gnosticism." The early Christian
ecclesia did indeed include Valentinians, as you say, but "Christian"
at that time was not what later became orthodox Catholicism. The
early "Christians" consisted of a variety of expressions using the
Christ motif and did include some proto-orthodox as well as Gnostic
and other avenues. And these were different from each other,
different enough that when those with political power later supported
an orthodox Christianity, there was upheaval and Gnostic and other
heterodox scriptures were destroyed.
One major difference for Gnostics is that Gnosis is salvific, not
faith. Even though many moderns equate "faith" with "religion," it's
important to recognize that Gnosticism did not include traditions
that accentuated "faith" in their soteriology. As such, yes,
Gnosticism emphasizes "salvation through Gnosis," but not through an
emphasis on praxis or pistis, "practice of the faith." It's not a
matter of discarding faith or practice (although some may indeed view
sacraments as unnecessary, for instance), tools or elements we see in
religions, but rather where functional importance is placed.
Salvific Gnosis, direct knowledge or acquaintance, goes beyond faith.
Gale, you mention Elaine Pagels. We've had recent discussion about
her latest book, _Beyond Belief_. Have you and/or other members read
any of her previous books dealing with Gnostic (Valentinian) exegesis
of Paul or John, in which differences between the psychic and
pneumatic approaches are discussed?
- Hello Gerry
On 29-Feb-04, you wrote:
> http://www.nmsi.ac.uk/piclib/imagerecord.asp?id=10411307 This is a
> nutshell version attributing the image's first known use to French
> astronomer Camille Flammarion in 1888.
I cannot remember the name of his book, but Flammarion was into the
Occult and Metaphysical, more or less Theosophical in tone if I
remember right, so he may have consciously altered the older 16th
Century image to suit his more modern Occult outlook. Just another
coincidence, though perhaps. AFAIK, he was not involved in the late
19th century French Gnostic movement, though I could be wrong on
Mike Leavitt ac998@...