Re: Theosophy and Gnosticism
- That whole post was dogma. So, when does this non-dogma principle
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Martin Khoury <martin12617@y...>
> Howdy, Mike and all!you a vegetarian?
> I didn't know that, Gnostic Gorilla - that's indeed amusing. Are
> Gorillas are.Unfortunately, their starting point is already wrong. Starting with
> To your comment: I disagree with the Theosophists, Mike.
the assumption that man is superior, can only lead to such limited
and incorrect conclusions. They think they invented something by
saying, anything below in the hierarchy (what hierarchy, the one
according to the bible?=> "Man is given dominion over all creatures
on the earth ..." thanks a lot!) to ascend the latter upwards. They
applied then a to me obscure intelligency test and ended up with a
tough selection: Dolphins and probably cats yes, but not cows or
mice. The Theosophists were humans, who grew up with the old ignorant
thinking and were experimenting on so called occult phenomena. Their
results are remarkable, but the wrong presumption was never erased,
and so infected their results.
> Why? Possibly, because the spirits they communicated with, thegurus etc., from where they have much of their wisdom, were Beings
which wanted to reach out to humans and intended to reach us on our
plane only; actually where else, when we know only our plane? Also,
why should the guru bother, if the recipient is obviously not
interested in the subject matter at hand. What I am saying is this:
Theosophy has a high complicated system of what constitutes man, soul
models and so on. Yet, their science remains man- oriented and
therefore limited. In this regard, one can hardly call it universal.
>instincts. I wonder what animals would call our socially prescribed
> Mating patterns they call it in Spring. Just patterns, and
customs regarding dating and so on. I think sometimes, we are the
most ridiculous creatures. We just clothe things in fashioned terms
and think we reinvented the world. Somebody will always have to be
left out as inferior. This is how superiority is established and can
survive. The majority of scientists says animals act mainly
instinctively. Yet, I see them doing exactly what we do. Mating,
caring for the offspring, collecting food. Actually, I view animals
with a curiosity nowadays, to see to whom they pray and when they
>concept of free will. What a shameful statement: It must have been
> The realization of our common trait is obscured too by the orthodox
made by the most ignorant person, ignorant of his/her own necessity
to eat, sleep and reproduce. Good morning, this is obviously not
within the free will scope and only few would deny at least this that
we have to eat, that we fall asleep if we stay up for too long, and
that we have an insane urge to reproduce. Gnosticism fortunately
takes the opposite stand and reveals man as being a prisoner here on
earth, subject to all possible tortures and limitations, the
necessity to eat, sleep and reproduce just to mention few. Doubt is
also casted on the concept of free will, when we take reincarnation
seriously. Lastly, our bodies are full of seasonal and fluctuating
levels of hormones. Who can then tell me we have a free will without
being ignorant of all these matters?
>think and urge Theosophy to review its doctrines based on this error,
> Actually, now that you mention it, Mike, for all these reasons I
and abstain from unfounded anthromorphic presumptions. There is no
reason, why man should be superior on this earth or as the orthodox
proclaim in this one universe. We have to attack our arrogance and
ignorance. We should not forget that man makes too often his
presumptions based on the evidence and testimony of the physical
senses. This external cognition then is evaluated by the Ego. Sadly,
because we know already that the Ego cannot afford us too much help
in attaining transcendent wisdom, i.e. attain Gnosis and this should
be our warning if we are serious about making this life complete.
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