Religious similarities/contrasts (Was: What is life?)
- --- In email@example.com, pmcvflag <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Mahayana is a very wide category, with a large number of sects...historical
> some of which differ from each other quite strikingly.
> Sure there are similarities Klaus... as there are with nearly every
> religion. I will even conceed that there are some very interesting
> similarities in this particular case, but that does not mean there
> are not very important differences as well. What is more important
> though, is that similarities in no way imply ancestory or
> relation. From the purely historical point of view, there is noThere is no doubt that religious motifs crop up in various cultures
> evidence that Mahayana actually existed before the common era. I
> still remain unconvinced that there must have been some Indian
> influence in the Hellenic movements when basic Roman attitude is
> right there to provide the necessary ingredients.
> Certain motifs crop up time and again in religion and philosophy...
> without having to be directly gained from one particular source or
without obvious historical connections.
C. G. Jung also studied this idea of cross-cultural motifs. In fact,
here is an interesting article about archetypes comparing Jungian
psychology with sociobiology:
The Valentinians might have been not far off in their classification
of a "psychic" nature vs. a truly "pneumatic" nature. Could our
psychic natures be acting out archetypes, instinctive motifs?
What then is truly spiritual vs. psychological? IOW, where does
gnosis fit in? Is "gnosis" historical or ahistorical? Can we
identify gnosis (as different from psychological religious motifs)
when comparing/contrasting various religious settings (like Mahayana
Buddhism and "Gnosticism")? Soteriology only? We do tend to see
societal groupings that interpret the expression of this type of
salvific knowledge. I suppose distinguishing what is psychic vs.
what is pneumatic (albeit interpreted and expressed through our
physical/psychic mechanisms) involves a combination of observing the
manifested fruits of pneumatic awareness in addition to that kind of
intuitive understanding that is beyond words.
"For the father is sweet and in his will is goodness; he is
acquainted with your own, upon whom you rely. For by their fruits
your own are known: for the father's children are themselves his
fragrance, for they are from the loveliness of his face. Therefore
the father loves his fragrance and manifests it everywhere. And when
it mingles with matter it imparts his fragrance to the light, and by
his silence he makes it superior in every way to every sound. For it
is not the ears that smell the fragrance, rather it is the spirit
that possesses the faculty of smell and draws the fragrance toward
itself for itself and sinks down into the father's fragrance; thus it
nourishes it and takes it to what it emanated from, the original cold
fragrance. And it is a soul-endowed modeled form, being like a cold
liquid that has sunk into some loose earth; and those who see it
suppose that (only) earth is there. Afterward, it reevaporates when
a gust (of wind) draws it off and it becomes warm. Cold fragrances,
then, result from division. For this reason, faith came and did away
with division, and it brought the warm fullness of love, so that the
coldness might not return: rather, it is unity of perfect thought."
(Gospel of Truth)
> Schopenhauer is a good example of this in fact. He wasAn aside on Schopenhauer ~
> surprized with the similarities he found with ideas he believed he
> had invented had to eastern religions. His comparative analysis was
> drawn after the fact.
This article, by Peter Abelson, discusses "Schopenhauer and Buddhism":
Also, PMCV, if you're so inclined at some point, perhaps you could
briefly outline for our members a few of the ways that eastern
religion is "the exact opposite of Gnosticism," as you mention
below. This invitation for discussion of contrasts is open to other
interested members, too, of course.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, klaus schilling <pessy@c...>
> > pmcvflag writes:
> > > eastern religion, which
> > > is in some wasy the exact opposite of Gnosticism.
> > >
> > No, mahayana buddhism is in many ways very similar to Gnosticism,
> > as shown by Edward Conze.
> > Klaus Schilling
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> >--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, klaus schilling <>Say, Ernst, would you humor me and translate the gist of this post
> >pessy@c...> wrote:
> > ernststrohregenmantelrad writes:
> > >
> > > I thought Sufi was a part of Islam or did I miss something?
> > For Schopenhauer, Sufi is of vedantic origin,
> > disguised as Islam.
> > Klaus Schilling
> Mensch, es gibt zu viel DDHG* bei dir!
> Du hebst so oft AS in den Himmel!
> Du nimmst die Meinung Schopenhauer als die Tatsache.
> Die ist nur einer der Meinungen von der Ursprung.
> *Der Doktor hat gesagt- wird benutzt vom Anthroposoph, der
> hebt Steiner in den Himmel. In diesen Fall machst du mit
> Schopenhauer so wie so Anthroposoph mit Steiner.
for the majority of members who don't speak German?