Re: "Gnostics" and love relationships
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Gerry <gerryhsp@y...>"
> --- In email@example.com, pmcvflag <no_reply@y...> wrote:is
> > >>I really believe in the value of love relationships, though
> > many "Gnostics" (if there is such a thing) do not, and would
> > with me imphatically.<<
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, PMCV. Would you care to expand on your above comments?
> > >
> > > Cari
> > Sure thing Lady C :)
> > First, to answer the exchange between you and Mike; I use the
> > term "many" not only so as not to pick on any particular person
> > but also because the impression that Klaus in particular has been
> > expressing in here is a common perception that modern would be
> > Gnostics have of traditional Gnosticism (so I assume that Klaus
> > not the only person here who feels that way, just the only onewho
> > expressing it).
> > Of course, this idea of Gnosticism comes to us from the
> > not the Gnostics themselves. This means that the severe ascetic
> > attitude is more often a matter of a modern person recreating
> > something based on external impressions of those who disagreed
> > the movements in question. A rough analogy would be somethinglike
> > I was an anti-abortionist, who wrote a book attacking the
> > party in the US for it's "liberalism". I Might write something
> > like "those libertine Democrats are all having sex, even when
> > are in the Oval Office they disrespect it's sanctity. Then, theyand
> > disrespect the life they bring into the world, and kill thier own
> > offspring!"
> > Now, a person reading this in a thousand years may say, "hey, I
> > to be a Democrat, so I am going to create an oval building and
> > sacrifice children in it". They would not uncerstand that the
> > inferrence is of abortion, and that not all Democrats agree with
> > implications of the polemic against them.
> > Well, the ascetic impulse is often just the inverse of
> > this "Democrat" example. Some polemicists takes some rather harsh
> > sounding liturature, accuses Gnostics of castrating themselves
> > hating the world, and "viola!", we have modern people attemptingto
> > recreate "Gnosticism" by self rightiously proclaiming thierhatred
> > anything they believe smacks of "worldliness". BUT...... this
> > impression is probably unrelated to the actual beliefs and
> > of the historical groups as a whole.
> > I can't remember, Lady C, if it was you or Gerry who told me this
> > story (can't remember the particulars so I'm telling my own
> > version ;))....
> Nope---didn't come from me, but it certainly makes the point.
> Whether we're talking about a person's action or inaction with
> regards to worldly affairs, I think that the person's intentions
> of prime importance. After all, one can be as much a slave toDidn't come from me either, PMCV, ... I don't think. Hmmm, maybe
> disdain as to indulgence.
Gerry's alter ego? J/K, Ger. ;-)
Anyway, PMCV, you do give an excellent illustration of what happens
when a person's focus inadvertently becomes that which he/she is
trying to avoid. Fact is, we're humans, and as such, we interpret
the divine through our human mind and senses. Without promoting one
lifestyle over another, I would think though that too much
concentration on extreme worldly practices could sometimes have the
effect of diminishing a focus on gnosis.