- ... Truth_ ... that I ... I suspected as much, but didn t want to insert foot in mouth if that weren t the case. :-) ... attitude ... divine. ... more ...Message 1 of 45 , Jan 4, 2003View Source--- In email@example.com, AJRoberti@a... wrote:
> Hello Cari,Truth_
> << Also, do you have any problem reconciling _The Testimony of
> with Valentinian selections on your list? >>that I
> Haw haw haw! Sorry, my occasion for laughter out loud is noting
> somehow misread "Testimonium" as "Evangelium."I suspected as much, but didn't want to insert foot in mouth if that
weren't the case. :-)
> One thing that characterizes the above collection of texts is anattitude
> that traditional religious rites and observances are useless indivine.
> "guaranteeing" that one will achieve a state of harmony with the
> I would also say that they describe a cosmic state of affairs much
> complex than the teaching of "dualism" typically associated withGnosticism
> in general. (Hymn of the Pearl notwithstanding.) In fact I wouldgo so far
> as to say that dualism is irrelevant from the Valentinian point ofview. The
> Valentinian school is less dualistic even than "mainstream"Christianity.
> The Epistle to Flora is a good introduction to the Valentinian
> It is not flawless, but it draws you in, and it is easy to readwithout
> familiarity with the more esoteric underpinnings of Valentinianteaching.
> What this text and the Gospel of Truth imply, is that theunderlying
> conclusions and principles of Valentinian thought can be expressedwholly in
> the milieu of traditional Christian terminology. They demonstratewhy
> heresiologists were so threatened by Valentinianism. However theyconstitute
> a polemic not only against the hierarchical elitism of themainstream church
> but also the esoteric monopoly of the Gnostic cults.I found your post quite interesting, Tony.
You have introduced the germ for some intriguing topics should you
care to expand on your comments when you have some time, Tony. Or
perhaps others also have some opinions on your observations.
- ... Others would argue that the movement INTO Latin as the scholar s lingua franca was the greatest mistake of western culture... this would include theMessage 45 of 45 , Jan 9, 2003View Source
> Because moving away from Latin as the scholars' lingua francaOthers would argue that the movement INTO Latin as the
> was the greatest error throughout the history of European culture.
> This has already been noted by A. Schopenhauer.
scholar's "lingua franca" was the greatest mistake of western
culture... this would include the Greek-speaking composers of much of
the Nag Hammadi library, as well as it's Coptic speaking translators.
Often times both of these languages were very specifically used as
outposts of resistance against Latin cultural oppression. In northern
Egypt the Greek speaking community was second only to the Jews for
their reputation for insurrection (in Alexandria the Greek community
lived just to the south of the walled Jewish quarter, and the
cultural exchange equalled the resentment of occupation. This is the
venue in which Gnosticism was created).
None of these books we are talking about were written in Latin, so
gumming up the works with yet a fourth (unrelated) language in the
mix seemed rather strange is all. Don't get me wrong, Latin is a
wonderful language, and one that is very useful to the scientific
community. It is also something like speaking Hebrew at a Palistinian
knitting club. I have no problem if you want to use latin... knock
yourself out our uptight friend. Now, if we were talking about
Catholicism it would seem perfectly obvious that you should use Latin.
By the way..... Schopenhauer wasn't Gnostic either.