Re: The Black Arts by Richard Cavendish
- I don't even think we can categorically state that the Demiurge is
represented as non-spiritual... though we can say that it "usually"
seems to be. Samael is a term used elswhere to describe Satan, so
would could postulate (and I stress POSTULATE) that in some cases the
Demiurgos was identified with Satan, but in some cases there seems to
be a similarity with the rebel of heaven, Sabaoth who takes the place
of Saklas. However, I am trying to think off the top of my head if I
ever remember the actual word "Satan" being used in any texts, and
frankly can't (not saying it isn't there though, I am in one of my
bumble headed moods tonight). I don't however find the overall
structure as unclear as you feel it is.
--- In gnosticism2@y..., incognito_lightbringer <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Again, the relationship between Sophia, Demiurge, and Satan isn't
> clear. Are they all the same force described as a plurality, where
> some aspects are to redeemed, others destroyed? Is Sophia,
> well...Sophia in the upper aeons, but Satan/Demiurge/Spirit in the
> material world, a kind of fracture or psychosis or duality? I know
> the gnostic texts present a linear story, but they do so with the
> Pleroma also (this came first, then that, then that) but that's
> all a unity and stressed as such. Origin of the World, with
> Ialdeboath and all his sons, may be similar. Thus when an upheaveal
> takes place, it's within the demiurge himself, and the demiurge is
> material (animate but not spiritual) and has part of Sophia's
> Satan on the other hand is spiritual, but evil. Just throwing some
> ideas around.
> I read in one heresiological source(I think it's Hippolytus about
> Valentinians, I'll have to go through a stack of books to find it)
> that they interpreted the myth of the prodigal son as Satan and
> Jesus. Jesus is the older son, Satan is the younger one who goes
> drinking, whoring, and so on, eventually to repent and return home.
- --- In gnosticism2@y..., "Wayne" <waynel@i...> wrote:
> --- In gnosticism2@y..., "Kishara" <kisharaiwass@y...> wrote:http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html
> > You should read "meditations" by marcus aurelius.
> > -K.A.
> Can I find it on the internet?