- ... From: rwr To: email@example.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: [gnosis284] Explanation for Tobey. Explanation for Tobey. Dear Toby,Message 1 of 1 , Aug 12, 2002View Source----- Original Message -----From: rwrSent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:46 AMSubject: [gnosis284] Explanation for Tobey.
Explanation for Tobey.
May I also address the contact from Bil Brown here at one and the same time, for given that the family is now back home time is of an essence (well, in the proverbial not literal sense :- ) For there is no such phenomenon as time independent of changing phenomenal events in space. Changing events is what time is. Things do not happen ‘IN’ time for there is no such phenomenon to be ‘IN’. Continuity in physical dimesnsions is a product of change. However.
But thank you both for the interesting and well written mails. I do realise Toby that you were nurtured with Christian concepts to a degree at least, and therefore use those words and concepts in much of your thinking and communicating process; indeed your understanding of things. My own stance is different however, and always has been (for I had no religion, and neither did I ever want one).
Unlike those who go on some kind of ‘quest’ for spiritual answers, I never even did this in that way. My interest even as from a kid was simply to ponder upon things which life revealed to us. I would look at the stars for example and simply think… emm, I wonder what they are… etc. And this applies to all things which presented themselves to my conscious experience. I had no wishes or pre-conceptions about things. If life and existence was a silly cock-up, then so be it; it would not have bothered me one jot. I have no vested interest in the nature of reality or my own existence in it. I did not give a damn and I still do not. Now that may sound odd, but in the deepest sense it is true. I do not give a damn what happens to me. I have had a good life, made some good friends, raised a great family, lived through lots of experience laughter a few tears etc, and am well satisfied with it all. I feel extremely grateful for all the things that many folk have done for me and I try to reciprocate where and if possible.
Now, when it comes to things mystical and transcendent (which many have been interested in asking me about – for many people study that phenomenon – then I simply talk about what life revealed (once again) by conscious experience. So I talk about not beliefs for I do not have any and never have, but simply what I have seen, been in, what I learned therein, my reactions to it at the time, the effects which latter followed (over a twenty year period) and thence to the point of my existing understanding of it all. I do not talk about my wishes for myself and the world, or any beliefs, I simply report what has presented itself to my conscious experience and the effects which it had on me.
Now, the interesting fact is that of the correlations with other peoples such experiences (and effects on them) make it clear that these things are not relative to the observer;’ for those who have seen the things at that level report the same thing, and the same effects on them. There are many thousands of such documented reports in the archives of organisation who collect them for the record, and who study and analyse them for correlation’s.
It also happens that at the deeper end of the things which were revealed to my consciousness that some of them directly correlate with some aspect of all religions. Which reveals that religions are symbolic of human mystical transcendent experiences (revelations to consciousness). Especially so in the field of Introverted Mystical experience (inner experiences) – less so with Extroverted mystical experience.(projected on to the back-drop of the outside world).
Thus, I am not a teacher, not a guru, not a religionist, but simply a reporter of these things for those who have an interest in them – and millions of human beings do have an interest – especially in view of the fact that ALL religions were originally based upon them prior to priestcraft and churchianity (world wide) taking the phenomena as their own (when they did not even know it) and making themselves the key holder to these things – and telling Joe public that if they believed their stuff they would be ‘saved’ for eternal ‘damnation’. It is messing with young kids minds that made me become a shit bag guru buster. I live to destroy religions and give spirituality back to the people. For these experiences rapidly, instantly impart spirituality, love, knowledge, understanding, and good will to all things in existence – and existence itself.
Religions, and holding cast iron beliefs, block this process in many people. Religionists who come to have divine mystical and transcendent experience (transcendent meaning that their consciousness is not here in this world, not even in time) do so not BECAUSE of their religions, but INSPITE of it. THAT, is how indomitable the spirit really is. But it can indeed be blocked by intransigence, closed mindedness, and the fear of moving on and leaving all other stuff behind. The spirit or essence of our being can have trouble permiating up through the psyche, which can block it all off - even for a whole lifetime. Thus the obsticle to spirituality is ouselves and our life-style, and mind-set.
Now, when it comes to that which is called ‘Gnosticism’ (which is simply the texts written by SOME mystics (and many who were NOT mystics I hasten to add) Then I did find some of the best written reports of transcendent mystical experience (and it IS a rare experience by the way – you will not find many who have undergone it yet) that I have ever read from antiquity. There are of course thousands of better ones from modern day people; and with those who are still alive, then one can chat with them and sort out any problems of language and conceptual usage.
Thus, I HAVE to make it clear here Tobey, that I simply report human divine experience insofar as I have any experience of it. I do not talk about religious or spiritual beliefs and ancient utterings of priestcraft and scribes. Good heavens I am more interested in science and psychology than societies mythological icons. But, of all the religions which I have read anything about then Christianity goes the deepest into these things. The problem being is that they have done it in symbolic terms not literal reporting of these things, and even the most advanced and intellectual Christians are still swallowing the symbols and not the reality itself. Thye do not KNOW the reality itself. They do not HAVE this transcendent mystical Gnosis of their eternal self. Beliefs are no substitue for such experience - indeed they hinder it.
Yes, I have been though Limbo (the dark place which as been called ‘hell’ and is common in near death experiences). Yes, I have undergone that mystic death (annihilation) and the resurrection of consciousness into that divine eternal transcendent realm at the end of our time. And yes I did come back again – or else I would not be here talking to you now would I.
So YES, these things ARE true of conscious experience. My problem for the next twenty years was studying and analysing the truth (or otherwise) of human conscious experience. But it came to be seen and understood that the effect of these things ARE what they ARE, and it is THAT which is important in this world. Then of course there is the fact that conscious experience is all we ever have anyway. The observer can never be the observed and yet whilst being an observer.
Now, naturally I talk about these things, (people have demanded that I did) the events themselves, and their effect upon people (from what they tell me) and upon myself. They are direct correlation’s. It became clear that human beings have been undergoing these events since we lived in caves. I would imagine cats and dogs do as well. For we are addressing here life itself and consciousness – the phenomenon of Mind and its place in the vast scheme of things.
Hence my only interest in religions and gnosticism was for seeking correlations of human experience. And I found many of them in all religions – beyond their symbolism’s of course.
I hope this helps to make my stance and viewpoint a little clearer. I have as much interest in gnosticism as watching paint dry; I am interested in that mystical gnosis, and the nature of mind, being, creation, existence. And these events, these experiences, over a twenty year period has made me love it all, and stand in mere dumb-stuck awe and wonder of anything and everything that exists. I know virtually nothing at all. All I know is what life itself has revealed to my conscious existence and the effects which it has had – and I also know it does the same to other people. The identical thing has the identical effects and inner esoteric teaching
I would simply point out here that if every human being alive today were to undergo transcendent mystical experience this night, then tomorrow morning there would be NO religions on earth – only spirituality, harmony, one accord, and the love of life and being.
But THAT is NOT going to happen over night. Alas :- ))) or should I say :- (((
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