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[Gnosticism] Re: Food for thought from the Buddha Belly of Light

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    I m agreed on all counts Corax. PMCV ... of ... understanding ... academic ... criticism the ... data which ... of some ... valid for ... critical ... belief
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 21, 2002
      I'm agreed on all counts Corax.

      PMCV

      --- In gnosticism2@y..., Coraxo <coraxo@e...> wrote:
      > Something to chew on about intuitiveness is that it is only one arm
      of
      > functional cognition.
      >
      > the extreme is that one can become so enmeshed in intuitive
      understanding
      > that it is impossible to verify or validate the veracity of one's
      > impressions.
      >
      > On the other one can become so textually based, and focused on
      academic
      > method that the issue is irrelevant to living.
      >
      > I have had unpleasant experience with intuitives as I have had with
      > rationalists simply because so many intuitives accept without
      criticism the
      > impressions of their own introspection. When presented with some
      data which
      > would suggest unprovability or inconsistency in the intuitive grasp
      of some
      > individuals I have routinely been met with all manner of attack and
      > diatribe, however the most common is thais; "it is true for me and
      valid for
      > me and it is my Truth".
      >
      > That is fine, however it smacks of solipsism, a much misused and
      > misunderstood term in mystical and gnostic circles these days.
      >
      > The Gnosis is something which should and by necessity withstand
      critical
      > inspection. Otherwise we are not dealing with Gnosis, but rather
      belief or
      > personal wish.
      >
      > For this reason dianoesis, or a systematic manner of critique is
      useful in
      > preventing self-deception.
      >
      > My own understanding (which BTW is something akin to the download
      PK Dick
      > experienced) is something I try to keep reserved for myself and use
      as a
      > gauge by which to measure common insights shared with classical or
      > contemporary authors and it is a feed back process by which I
      refine my
      > understanding of these things. paul saw the Light on the road to
      Dmascus,
      > but his exegesis of this Light, revealing his understanding took
      the rest of
      > his life, and required a framework to make it comprehensible. Paul's
      > soteriology is based on pistic, but a perfected pistis founded on
      Gnosis.
      >
      > "That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory to be
      > strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; that Christ
      may
      > dwell in your hearts by faith...And to know the love of Christ,
      which
      > passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of
      God."
      > (Eph. 3:16,17,19)"
      >
      > here Paul speaks of a faith founded on the revelation of the inner
      Christ,
      > the gnosis of which sustains a perfect faith. So I would argue that
      Pistis
      > as Paul phrases it here is not the same as doxa or the belief of the
      > psychic. faith is the understanding of perfect knowledge and the
      Love of
      > Christ while belief is in those things which one has been told are
      true
      > without understanding.
      >
      > But, as I seem to understand, the Gnosis is as much Anamnesis as it
      is
      > 'knowing' something or obtaining knowledge.
      >
      > In the manichaean anthropogeny, Adam is shown his true nature by
      Christ in
      > the garden and remembers his origin.
      >
      > This usggests to me a gnostic character in the understanding of the
      Elect at
      > least, out of which they then take on the practice of liberating
      Light
      > through practice.
      >
      > The reductionistic approach that the bema feast was the only was of
      > liberating light is too simplistic and with this I will agree with
      > Hey_Market. On the other hand, it was a valid practice, but only
      one aspect
      > of Elect life if I understand correctly and it was not Beduhn's
      intent in my
      > read of his book to reduce the entire Manichaean processs of
      salvation to
      > eating cucumbers.
      >
      > Now this puts me in a pickle insofar as refering back to the textual
      > material to find other aspects of recorded practice which show an
      explicit
      > emphasis on gnosis.
      >
      > For me at least, the mythology as instructional and initiatiatory
      material
      > suggest an IMPLIED gnostic soteriology required of the Elect.
      >
      > This being the case, I think the intent and understanding with
      which the
      > Cucumber Feast was undertaken carries with it a soteriologic
      function based
      > in the gnosis of the Elect.
      >
      > Corax
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