Re: Modification of the sensate being
- Hey Play, Lady Cari makes many of the points much more clearly than
I. I'll just add a couple of things here.
As to whether or not you are in the right place, as Cari states, only
you can answer that. You don't need to agree with Gnosticism to be
here, but you do have wish to understand what Gnosticism is. Since
the purpose of this club is to talk about traditional Gnostic history
and ideas, and there may be a number of reasons you might be
interested in that, you have to figure out what those may be.
>>>Faith, the way I think of and define it, is a combination ofThat however is not the way it is usually defined. Faith is the
> emotions, beliefs and knowledge. Truth is something faith
> accepts fully and is rooted in love and compassion.<<<
belief in something that isn't known.
>>What do you gain if you gather all the knowledge in the universeand don't have the faith necessary to more fully understand or accept
The material universe is only hylic matter. If you have all the
knowledge in the universe you still do not have Gnosis, which is
knowledge of something beyond the universe.
>>>Knowledge is of the mind, emotions are of the body and belief isof the spirit. That's who we are like it or not.<<<
Ah, but I "know" otherwise. Knowledge is of the mind, belief is an
extention of emotions into the mind from the body, and Gnosis is of
>>>Right off the bat, what you are really saying then is that youchoose one part of your being as more valuable than the others.<<<
Well, yes. The Gnostic belief is that the material universe is
transitory. It is a mistake that our spirits have fallen into. The
goal of the Gnostic is to rejoin the infinite source, and this means
leaving the body behind. The spirit is more valuable than the body.
The body will die, it will rot, and it will disappear.... the spirit
>>>I can't help thinking about Thomas, the one who doubted what Jesustaught and then found the truth through him. Jesus was certainly
someone who had faith. How will a gnostic ever know what he taught
I should point out, many Gnostics don't believe in Jesus at all.
Those who do, tend to see Thomas as better than the other followers
(except maybe Mary). Because of your question, some questions of my
own come to mind. Have you read any Gnostic liturature? What
about "Gnosticism" made you interested in finding out more about it?
Where did you hear the word, was it from an actual Gnostic source or
from some other source?
The Gnostic view of Jesus (for the forms of Gnosticism that even care
about Jesus that is) is very different than the one that "Christians"
present. The Bible is, by and large, the creation of a group of
polititians who were trying to supress Gnostics. One cannot
understand Gnosticism from a general Christian backdrop. In other
words, the belief that Jesus was a man of faith is not supported in
Gnostic lituratrue (much of which predates the "Bible"), only
in "Christian" works. Ultimately though, Gnosticism doesn't depend on
Jesus for it's clues, one needn't believe in Jesus to be Gnostic.
- Say, Will, not to confuse you any more, but . . .just for fun, since
we both are not adverse to a transferred language of metaphor, I
invite you and any other members who wish to join in, to read through
_The Gospel of Thomas_ to see if you find any metaphorical language
that makes sense to you. (This is not a requirement BTW, just an
invitation to get a feel for a bit of metaphorical language used in
the environs around here. LOL)
For those who do not have a copy of the text, an online version can
be found here ~