Re: Old vs new - Who decides?
- Hey Steve
>>>Hi Karl. My goodness, you are precise in your thinking! LOL! I'mafraid I'm not.<<<
I think neither of those statements are true. I do try my hardest
though, and try to be honest when I know I fail. ;)
>>>OK, I'll bite. How, exactly, do you think that the Sethiansdefined the word, "gnosis"? Don't worry, I'm not trying to debate
this, since I really don't know exactly what they might have meant.
Maybe you could give us a 30-second "sound-bite" spelling-out, in
plain straightforward language, what AOJ meant by the word.<<<
I have to be honest here, I don't think AOJ is the best example. I
think, to some extent, it is a popularization (especially the long
version). I think in the AOJ we really do have to depend a bit more
on hermeneutics to extract the soteriology, while in other texts it
is much more direct. In fact, we may ask whether the book still
maintains some Gnostic attributes, in that on one level it seems to
imply that everyone will eventually be saved anyway.
Still, in the end it is quite clear that the book places a pretty
special emphasis on the importance of recognizing the cosmogeny. The
big debate that starts the book is indeed dealing with this very
attribute. This is one of the primary things I listed previously as
consistantly connected to the concept of "Gnosis". There is no
question that the "Light" one must seek is the rememberance of
the "Pronoia" in this text... the rememberance of what the
cosmological outlined looked like before the fall.
I DO think, though, that we should not use this text to define the
category. Instead we should think about much more explicit texts and
then question the relation of the texts that may not be so direct.
Well, perhaps I should get back to this question later. This last
month we have had fires and floods and all those little things that
take more time than one would like to spend on such uninteresting
ventures *lol*. Maybe you could outline your thoughts on the matter
a little further, and if you feel the basic attributes I previously
presented are a fallacy of the category itself, or of specific texts.