- Hey Ms Aleada Aine, welcome to the group.
>>From my reading, and I do admit it is not extensive in the field ofGnostic Literature, it is similar to other paths to enlightenment.<<<
I wanted to point out something for anyone new to this subject,
because it is something expressed by a number of people here in the
last week. I know there are many ways that people use the
word "Gnosis" these days, and many of those usages do not agree with
each other. I have seen the word used to refer to ESP, and I have
seen the word used to refer to racist dogma, but more common today
the word has come to either mean the mystical experience (direct
experience of "God"), or to "enlightenment", or lastly to some kind
of personal truth.
What I think it is important to understand is that none of these
meanings are the meaning used by the traditional "Gnostics". In this
forum, we do try to stick to this more ancient meaning of the
word "Gnosis" for the sake of better communication.
>>>I am not seeing from reading Freke and Gandy that much of thesecrets were passed on to us, probably because they were transmitted
in person by teacher to pupil but also because they were experienced
as direct experience of ones own volition through spirit. I believe
this was the only way to transmit this Knowing, through
Plato defines the notion of Gnosis in the way the Gnostics used the
word this way....
"This knowledge is not something that can be put into words like
other sciences; but after long-continued intercourse between teacher
and pupil, in joint pursuit of the subject, suddenly, like light
flashing forth when a fire is kindled, it is born in the soul and
straightway nourishes itself."
Both Plato and the historical Gnostics agreed that there was a
strong and important experience aspect, but also a strong and very
important intellectual aspect to Gnosis. In other words, it isn't
one or the other, but must have both. It is a sort of epiphany
bringing the ends of various knowledges and experiences together
into a comprehensive cognitive state. This cognitive state includes
very specific training in, and understanding of, the Gnostic cosmic
structure and lingo, initiatory experience, and knowledge of the
self and how one fits into the spiritual world.
>>>With this background and also having read Freke and Gandy's booksand Elaine Pagels, Gnostic Gospel but mostly from experiencing
personal Gnosis which I'm sorry to say is being separated from this
discussion or seems to be discounted.<<<
It isn't that your personal definition of the word "Gnosis" is
discounted here, just that it isn't the definition of the
word "Gnosis" that this forum uses.
>>>Freke and Gandy explain the experience of Gnosis as more than canbe written, it must be experienced, it is that knowledge or knowing
beyond intellect that cannot contain the totality to Gnosis.<<<
Freke and Gandy also claim that this definition of the word "Gnosis"
is the one used by the traditional Gnostics... but I should point
out that Freke and Gandy are mistaken. We are a bit more technical
>>>You are all so intelligent but you miss the mark if you think youwill "get it" from all your books and reading, get quiet and get in
touch with the God with in and you may start to have Gnosis.<<<
You misunderstand, Aleada, no body suggested that your idea
of "Gnosis" is something that would be found in a book, but you need
to also understand the historical meaning of the word "Gnosis" and
not only the modern definition you get from people like Freke and
>>>>Whatever the culture it's all the same God or Great Spirit,whatever; the experience of Gnosis is the same, look at the mystics
and refer to Barbara's experience and you will see what it is to
No, that is what it means to have a mystical experience..... not
Gnosis. They are not the same thing.
Why do you feel that we must use your definition of the
word "Gnosis" rather than the one this forum was designed to deal
with? It isn't that I disagree with the importance of the experience
you are talking about, it is just that we don't call that
experience "Gnosis" here.