- Hey Arlene and Jenny
Well, one thing that may give us some trouble is the term "Ghost"
itself. As Mike points out, it is kind of hard to fully put the
Gnostic idea of spiritual existance into the concept. Let me
In the historical Gnostic systems we generally see a difference
between a sort of "soul" and a "spirit". Arlene points out a
feminine spirit, but let me make a mild ajustment here, in the usual
model the spirit is male, and the soul is female (and of course this
is allegorical). The spirit and the soul are equated not only with
different functions in the salvational role, but also different
cosmological sources (Logos and Sophia, for instance).
As Gerry pointed out recently, Gnostic sources often don't have a
very positive view of the notion of "Ghosts", but neither do they
make it impossible. Part of the real question would be.... what
happens to the person after death? Instead of just listing some
sources, I thought I would just offer that and see where
--- In email@example.com, arlene anjum <koalaKards@y...>
> Yes I wonder that too. Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit.actually Feminine in nature. I want to say Valentinius I don't have
> The whole Trinity. In the Gnostic Gospels by Pagel..the Spirit is
my book with me in the office so I can't say for sure.
>divine. Why not a feminine spirit? Otherwise why then did God bother
> Personally I feel that somewhere there has to be a feminine
creating women altogether. Eve from Adam's rib and Adam is made in
the image of God then God must be androgynous or hermaphroditc or
asexual no? The more I read about Christianity, the more confused I
get. All these creeds, The Apostles Creed the Nicene Creed blabbly
blah..are so political in order to gain control over the masses I
really wonder if there is any spirituality left in Christianity?
Sorry for digressing..AA
> JennyG <aurum@t...> wrote:
> >Hi PMCV:
> I was wondering how the gnostics of the early Christian era C.E.
> earlier viewed Ghosts. To me ghosts are the spirits of thedeceased that
> either died tragic deaths, or those who passed but are in denialabout their
> own mortality so they hang around on the earthly plane just on adifferent
> frequency than the human eye and ear can pick up (unless your asensitive
> /psychic)..Arlene <what type
> Hello Everyone,
> I joined recently having met Karl in another group, I am not sure
> of discussions you have here, but I thought I would jump in onthis one.
> Good question Arlene, I look forward to hearing some replies. Iam not
> very scholarly or learned on The Gnostic texts so I will justlurk quietly,
> if no one minds.of the
> On this topic though I just want to say that I wonder why some
> Churches called the Holy Spirit, "Holy Ghost. I remember as achild in
> the Anglican Orphanage that I was terrified of the Holy Ghost. Wehad heard
> the usual childhood stories of ghosts as scary spectral beingshaunting the
> living. It was only later in my RC phase when itbecame "Spiritus
> Sanctus" that I could relax and stop looking over my shoulder :)Service.
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- Hello lady_caritas
On 08/12/05, you wrote:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "janahooks" <janahooks@y...>
>> Hello, Mike.
>>> Well the theosophists would say (recasting their termanalogy into
>>> gnostic) that at death only the portion of soul useful to the
>>> is saved, the rest is left to decay.
>> Now, that's something to think about: what part of my soul is
>> to my spirit? I might not sleep if I think about that. ;)
> Say, Mike, to tie in Plotinus and the Enneads that Steve brought up,
> I didn't know that Plotinus was a "Great Theosophist." ;-) lol Per:
> Anyway, if you scroll about halfway down the page linked above,
> Plotinus and Porphyry, have a dialogue about the soul.
> Plotinus: "Every soul has a lower part turned toward the body, and a
> higher part turned toward the divine intelligence."
> Anyone want to comment about how the Gnostics viewed "soul" and its
> relation to death? (Are we just talking about physical death here?)
> The Gnostics seemed to be more preoccupied with cosmogony,...
> beginnings, origins, reunification, as I believe Gerry pointed out
> earlier. Do the Gnostics have anything to specifically say about
> reincarnation, or not?
I can't give you citations, but some of the writings specifically say
if you don't make it you are turned back to earth. I read such a
passage here just a few weeks ago. May have been Phillip, but I
can't remember. No idea of karma there though.
Mike Leavitt ac998_@_lafn._org remove -'s