Re: Pursuit of gnosis (SALVATION in gnosticism)
- Hey Nick, that is exactly the kind of treatment I had hoped to
elicit. I thought I would add a little to your observations with the
interesting treatment we see in Philip, where it is even more
explicit in stateing that we can actually move up in the levels....
"A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may
die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one
is in danger of dying, for he is alive. Since Christ came, the world
has been created, the cities adorned, the dead carried out. When we
were Hebrews, we were orphans and had only our mother, but when we
became Christians, we had both father and mother."
In dealing with the sort of code lingo, I want to anticipate a
question from Gich on this one (as well as anyone else here who may
not be familiar with this). Here is the code for this passage...
Gentile = Hylic
Hebrew = Psychic
Christian = Pneumatic.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Nick Lawrance"
> ...........................................debate whether anyone could achieve Gnosis varied sustanticialy.
> Thanks for the welcome: From my understanding of Gnosticism the
Some believed that hylics had no possible chance of Gnosis. The
psychics were in a better position but would need the help of the
pneumatics. Some categories of the Valentians believed these
categories were not preordained. Jesus parable of the 'Sower and the
Seed'......Gospel of Thomas (9) was used as an example. They
believed people could move from one category to another; the lowest
category of people were dominated by their carnal nature and act
purely to satisfy personal needs and wants without regard to others.
Those that remain in the carnal state until death are the seeds that
fell along the path. They hear Christ message but do not understand
it thus it has no meaning for them. But even those that do achieve
some sort of awakening but yet remain in the animate as opposed to
the sleep state still have not achieved full knowledge. They hear
the message and understand it but are hesitant by their love for
this world and love of riches which choke the message. The spiritual
person no longer has to rely on the testimony of others for they
have done what was needed and realised the truth itself and united
with the spiritual element.
> >>What specific texts do you see reflecting the understanding you
>possible for anyone to achieve gnosis if they put in the work:
> I personally think the 'Gospel of Truth' indicates that it is
>to those who, in their error, have committed sin. Make sure-footed
> "Speak concerning the truth to those who seek it and of knowledge
those who stumble and stretch forth your hands to the sick. Nourish
the hungry and set at ease those who are troubled. Foster men who
love. Raise up and awaken those who sleep."
>will become known, and you will know that you are the sons of the
> Or again 'Thomas (3)':" .....When you know yourselves, then you
living Father. But if will not know yourselves, then you dwell in
poverty, and you are that poverty. "