Re: Manicheanism & Augustine
- Hello Tsharpmin7@...
On 03/03/05, you wrote:
> hi Mike... you wrote:
> "What became Christianity would not have happened without Paul and
> Augustine, not that James version was Christianity, and probably
> closer to the original version. I come close to hating Augustine
> like you hate Paul. He brought the worst elements of Manacheanism
> into Christianity, but went further with Original Sin. You want to
> blame someone for the real mess that is Christianity, Augustine
> makes Paul look postitively benign. Who did Calvin go back to?
Basicallly the dark and pessamistic world view, of which original sin
was his coup de ta (sp?). Negative ideas aout sex is another one.
True, he twisted Manacheanism, it was not so negative as him,
recognizing there was the good trapped in the world along with the
bad. This old world comes of full of sin and evil for Augustine, a
perversion of Manachean precepts.
Mike Leavitt ac998@...
- thanks, Mike... maybe its the times and culture he was exposed to.i know very little about Augustine, but its not all that surprising to methat any man should be focused in or obsessed with the poverty,squalor, disease, corruption, etc., Augustine was probably wellacquainted with. besides, he certainly wasn't the first tomisunderstand and ultimately distort a philosophy, as you'vesuggested he had. and i'm lately beginning to wonder if sophistryisn't the normal operating procedure of most religious and politicalmovements, especially as they devolve to the dogmatic state asopposed to the original active/perceptive state.i read a recent biography about Francis of Assisi while i was in thehospital and was struck by how swiftly many aspects of his lifebecame distorted and mythologized; the sophistry manifesting asintentional additions and substractions of his life motivated,possibly, by "well intentioned" desires to strengthen the faith andsubstantiate points of doctrine/dogma. and isn't sophistry, after all,one of the favorite tools of the propagandist?your friend,Crispin Sainte III