- Oct 1, 2003I don't understand how you came by the notion of "potential heretics"
from what I said Mangum.... but Lady Cari is right, I think you have
misunderstood my meaning. You asked what our definition
of "Gnosticism" was. Maybe I can boil it down a little to remove the
We essentially use the general academic definition of the word, the
one scholors use.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Mangum Murdock
> If I understand you correctly this 'club' has established certaindefinitions of gnosticism and corresponding historical sects for
discussion. In otherwords there are heretics among potential
subscribers. I understand. Please accept my apologies for seeking
information from the wrong group.
> pmcvflag <email@example.com> wrote:
> Hello Magnum... let me jump in on this one.
> As a scientific minded person, I am betting you will find the
> definition of the term "Gnosticism" to be quite concice. It is truea
> that there are a lot of definitions floating around out there, but
> few of them have much to do with academic usages.... this club uses
> slightly softened version of the Messina colloquium's springboard.traditional "Gnostics".
> Gnosticism being one of a number of late antiquities groups who's
> cosmogeny (emanationist/biblical demiurgy), anthropogeny (with the
> entrapment of the spirit), and soteriology (internal recognition of
> the connection to the "Bythos" or apophatic source) are related, as
> well as thier cultural/philosophical backdrop (neoplatonism in the
> semitic or biblical syncratic venue)
> In this club then, when we say "Gnosticism" we are talking about a
> number of historical sects from the late antiquities, but we do
> extend that also (for the sake of the club's purpose) to the modern
> Neognostics who feel themselves drawn by these
> I would point out that it is generally scholastic concensus that
> Cathars are not Gnostic because thier soteriology is divergent(which
> is the same reason many academicians also now exclude Manichaeansand
> Marcionism, etc..). I know there are modern writers who repeat theare
> equation still with the Cathars (such as T. Churton recently in his
> companion to the BPS series on Gnosticism, and the medievalist that
> magusadeptus recently mentioned, William Eamon, niether of which
> specialists in the field), but most of them are simply not up todate
> on the critical evaluation of the movement.through
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Mangum Murdock
> <mangummurdock@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > It appears that we have a slightly different opinion on the
> definition of Gnosticism probably based on the multitude of
> historians/writers who define these various religious sects. I am a
> science oriented person so in order to gain information from you
> folks I need to know the most simplist definition of Gnosticism you
> have. The following is mine subject to change....
> > "the personal revelation that leads the soul to perfection
> the knowledge of God"Service.
> > Mangum
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