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6007Re: On Sufism and Gnosticism

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  • hey_market
    Jun 8, 2002
      There's much to say about this, but perhaps on another list. Perhaps
      not. Do you have your own theory about the origins of Kabballah and
      Sufism? Do you see a common Gnostic source? Hermetic? Neoplatonic?
      Mysteries?

      --- In gnosticism2@y..., "morphodyte" <morphodyte@y...> wrote:
      > --- In gnosticism2@y..., pmcvflag <no_reply@y...> wrote:
      >
      > > Dr Sayyed Hossein Nasr wrote an interesting comparative
      > analysis of
      > > Sufism and Gnosticism. Specifically he demonstrates Platonic
      > ideals
      > > in medieval Andelusian Sufism. It is interesting that the
      > Kabbalah
      > > comes into existance in the era,
      >
      >
      > Greetings:
      >
      > while this may be an old thread, it does IMO merit some further
      > investigation.
      >
      > A prevailing idea is that Muslim Spain was an ecumenical
      > exchange of theology and philosophy in an atmosphere of
      > religious tolerance, which it really was not.
      >
      > Andalus was characterized by brief periods of tolerance
      > interspersed with longer periods of conflict of religious and
      > political nature.
      >
      > In particular, much of the diffusion of Aristotelian and Platonic
      > philosophy back into the West was due to the efforts of Raymond
      > Lully to evangelize the Saracens, a move which later got hime
      > stoned to death by his saracen audience.
      >
      > Part of this effort based itself on the requirement of missionaries
      > to study the peripatetic philosophers of Islam like Ibn Rushd
      > (Averroes) of refuting the aristotelian premises in favor of
      > Catholic sacramentalism.
      >
      > While the study of Aristotle and Plato in the works of the Islamic
      > peripatetic philosophers with the aim of refuting their
      > foundations had the reverse effect of introducing the methods of
      > hellenistic philosophy to feudal Europe, it cannot be said that
      > this was done in the spirit of ecumenism.
      >
      > I wonder if kabbalah was developed in Toledo with a similar aim
      > of defending jewish mysticism in the face of the onslaught of the
      > sophisticated mysticism of Ibn Sina and Ibn Arabi?
      >
      > Clearly Ibn Sina and later al Kirmani developed an Islamic
      > mysticism which was platonic and valentinian in nature with
      > ranks of hypostases originating from an ineffable Truth.
      > Similarly, the fallof Sohia, the descent of the Tenth Intellect and
      > the kabbalistic "breaking of the vessels" all share a common
      > theme in all three traditions and point to a common source.
      >
      > However, the undermining of Islamic idealism was not to come
      > from without but from within in the formalization of the ashari
      > aqeeda and shariah under Abu Hamid Al Ghazzali, a step which
      > fossilized Islamic thought and led to the wholesale rejection of
      > Platonic idealism and speculative philosophy.
      >
      > But perhaps this is a discussion best suited to another list.
      >
      > Morph
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