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6007Re: On Sufism and Gnosticism

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  • hey_market
    Jun 8, 2002
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      There's much to say about this, but perhaps on another list. Perhaps
      not. Do you have your own theory about the origins of Kabballah and
      Sufism? Do you see a common Gnostic source? Hermetic? Neoplatonic?
      Mysteries?

      --- In gnosticism2@y..., "morphodyte" <morphodyte@y...> wrote:
      > --- In gnosticism2@y..., pmcvflag <no_reply@y...> wrote:
      >
      > > Dr Sayyed Hossein Nasr wrote an interesting comparative
      > analysis of
      > > Sufism and Gnosticism. Specifically he demonstrates Platonic
      > ideals
      > > in medieval Andelusian Sufism. It is interesting that the
      > Kabbalah
      > > comes into existance in the era,
      >
      >
      > Greetings:
      >
      > while this may be an old thread, it does IMO merit some further
      > investigation.
      >
      > A prevailing idea is that Muslim Spain was an ecumenical
      > exchange of theology and philosophy in an atmosphere of
      > religious tolerance, which it really was not.
      >
      > Andalus was characterized by brief periods of tolerance
      > interspersed with longer periods of conflict of religious and
      > political nature.
      >
      > In particular, much of the diffusion of Aristotelian and Platonic
      > philosophy back into the West was due to the efforts of Raymond
      > Lully to evangelize the Saracens, a move which later got hime
      > stoned to death by his saracen audience.
      >
      > Part of this effort based itself on the requirement of missionaries
      > to study the peripatetic philosophers of Islam like Ibn Rushd
      > (Averroes) of refuting the aristotelian premises in favor of
      > Catholic sacramentalism.
      >
      > While the study of Aristotle and Plato in the works of the Islamic
      > peripatetic philosophers with the aim of refuting their
      > foundations had the reverse effect of introducing the methods of
      > hellenistic philosophy to feudal Europe, it cannot be said that
      > this was done in the spirit of ecumenism.
      >
      > I wonder if kabbalah was developed in Toledo with a similar aim
      > of defending jewish mysticism in the face of the onslaught of the
      > sophisticated mysticism of Ibn Sina and Ibn Arabi?
      >
      > Clearly Ibn Sina and later al Kirmani developed an Islamic
      > mysticism which was platonic and valentinian in nature with
      > ranks of hypostases originating from an ineffable Truth.
      > Similarly, the fallof Sohia, the descent of the Tenth Intellect and
      > the kabbalistic "breaking of the vessels" all share a common
      > theme in all three traditions and point to a common source.
      >
      > However, the undermining of Islamic idealism was not to come
      > from without but from within in the formalization of the ashari
      > aqeeda and shariah under Abu Hamid Al Ghazzali, a step which
      > fossilized Islamic thought and led to the wholesale rejection of
      > Platonic idealism and speculative philosophy.
      >
      > But perhaps this is a discussion best suited to another list.
      >
      > Morph
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