13404Re: [Gnosticism2] Re: Valentinus & the Valentinians this Week on CCG!!!
- Jan 20, 2008Hi Mark,
You might be right. We don't hear about this story until after 200 from Tertullian. The post he ran for was Bishop of Rome, that is still one of the titles for the Pope. Yet there were hundreds of Christianities at the time, the Roman Church just being a small section.
Maybe not a true anachronism but certainly possible to be mere legendry.
Mark <larockpitts@...> wrote:Miguel,
I may be mistaken, but isn't it a bit anachronistic to say that
Valentinus almost became "Pope." At the time of Valentinus, he would
have almost become simply "the Bishop of Rome," which was one
bishopric among others. Using the word "Pope" sounds a little
sensationalistic, unless your program has a Catholic slant, instead
of an historical one.
Again, I may be mistaken. Perhaps others can correct me.
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> Valentinus & The Valentinians. Besides being a poetic genius and an
> ethereal philosopher, Valentinus was the Gnostic who allegedly
> became Pope and might have changed the course of the Church in
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> --Evidence stating that Valentinus received his theology from the
> Syrian Christian viewpoint and not Alexandria.
> --Finally understanding what exactly was the Sacrament of the Bridal
> --Why did Valentinus consider the Apostle Paul the Elvis of the
> ancient times?
> --Like most Gnostic Schools, how not everyone receives salvation
> --Why faith was as important as gnosis to the Valentinians.
> --How Valentinus saw the death and resurrection of the Christ.
> And much more!
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> Is it possible that the historical Jesus might have been a creation
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