13039Re: Mysticism a Regressional Experience?
- Apr 4, 2007--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, pmcvflag <no_reply@...> wrote:
> Hey Thomas
> In response to Cari's question you state...
> >>> First, I am attracted to it because i beleive that Adam and Eve
> were the first modern humans on earth. Of course there were other
> creautres, hominids, predecessors to Adam and Eve, but I no more
> consider them to be human then a chimpanzee is the same as a lemur.
> I beleive the Ethian lineage is the possessors and guardians of
> the varied esoteric doctrines that were promulgated over the Earth.
> Each opf these fragments of the primal knowledge was passed down
> father to son, begining with Adam to Seth, and eventuallyculminating
> in Jesus of Nazareth.<<<does
> I find it difficult to reconcile the two versions of the creation
> mythology that you seem to present, but then again perhaps that
> not matter. I would like to ask you a question, though. Do you feelto
> that the historical Sethians intended their myths to be taken
> literally? Or, do you feel the expression of the text is intended
> be allegorical?point",
> I know it is this kind of question relating to readings of the
> historical text that causes Imdarkchylde to say we "miss the
> but in spite of her judgemental presumption of our spiritualfailure
> I feel that attempting to understand the intent of the originalOk. My take is that the authors intent was important, but that it
> authors of the texts can be valuable.
is a more nuanced subject then an either or decision.
First, the authors were at the very least aware and conversant
with the story of creation. However, they felt that it needed to b e
amended, or supplemented by additi9onal information and insights
provided by other thought and philisophical systems.
My guess would be that they were describing in mythological terms
the spiritual/mystical experiences they had when in contemplation, as
you can see was promoted by NeoPlatonic sages and theurgists. Plus,
you can't remove the social milieu that most of these texts were
found in Egypt.
So who were these written for? Well, first they'd need to be able
to read. Literacy was not as widespread as it is to day. Second, it
would be of interest to people who were spiritual seekers. Third, it
probably would appeal to people who understood, roughly at least, the
Biblical creation story, as there does not seem, in the text, to be a
lot of explanation. My assumption is the authors knew that it was
well known enough not to have to give a lot of background information
on the Creation story.
So..we have 1)literate 2) people who are spiritual seekers and are
3) familiar with the Biblical story of creation. My guess, especially
with the Sethian material, is that were dealing with Hellenized Jews
who were familiar with the book of Bereshith, but were heavily
influenced by both NeoPlatonic philosophy and to some degree Stoic
ideas. They used these ideas to question and "correct" what they saw
was wrong with the story of creation, from their perspective.
So the answer to your question is both. I am sure they visualized
the structures and cosmologies they conceived as literal, in a sense.
But just as in the orthodox version of Creation, with the wordplays
on the name Adfam and others, it was meant to be taken figurative too.
Just like the Apostle Paul who said he spoke differently to the
spiritual, so too the Gnostic texts probably would mean different
things, depending where a person stood in their philisophical and
Hence, the variety of texts. The constant textual and theological
criticism the Masters engaged in led to new systems of thoughts and
new ideas. It is a mistake to think this all happened in isolation
from each other and other systems of thought.
Thus, I have no problem in both beleiving the story of Creation
and using modern ideas of evolution, e.t.c to criticisize the
orthodox account and suggest a personal interpertation that includes
both literalism and allegorical views.
We need to be constantly aware of the nuanced nature of the
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