13033Re: Mysticism a Regressional Experience?
- Apr 2, 2007--- In email@example.com, "Verna Leigh Johnson"
> Brightest Blessings, Thomas!
> What a blessed name! You aren't kin to the famous (infamous?)
> brothers that made the Matrix, are you?
> I agree with you on a few of your points. As a beginner
> I am still discovering the 'truth' of the Garden of Eden story, butI
> am a Valentian to the core, so to speak, and that is what stillknowledge
> resonates within me, like scratching an itch that bugged me for so
> It is interesting you consider 'agnostic' to be "intuitive
> without the framework of conceptual thought." Knowledge is gnosis,meaning
> not a 'collection of data, but 'knowledge' (as used by the Hebrew
> definition and alike in the Greek and Latin as well) thus a,
> anti, meaning 'against' would be without knowlegde in its technicalthe
> But I understand your meaning, as I have had such 'mystical'
> exeriences (altho I didn't know they were when I had them) in the
> form of OBEs, NDEs, and some I don't think have a 'classification',
> (or at least not one that can be pinned down). But having visted
> Ground of Being, the Great Unmainfest, the Father of the Entirety,email
> whatever pigeonhole you wish to use, I can tell you there is NO
> THINKING there, only an 'awareness' of self (not ego). I have not
> been told this, I KNOW this. You may contact me on my personal
> if you wish, as I have found this may not meet the definition oflonger
> classification of Gnosticism in the traditional (an to some no
> existant) sense and such discussions may not be encouraged, but Iand
> will still put in my two cents.
> Whirled and inner peas
> my email is imdarkchylde@...
> Gnothi Seauton
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Thomas Wycihowski"
> <tjwycihowski@> wrote:
> > I'm continually fascinated by the story of the Garden of Eden
> > it's various version in Gnostic books.by
> > My take is that the Garden was a mystical experience that many
> > people of different religious experiences experience. In a book
> > Transpersonal writer Ken Wilber, he more or less dissess Eden as
> > pre-egoistic state where the differentiation between the self andhuman
> > outside worn't exist.
> > I disagree with that. In my opinion, the eating of the Tree of
> > Knowledge of Good and Evil was a divorcing of the counscious
> > being from the mystical sense of oneness that existed before.This
> > was the "Fall" into matter.perspective
> > Thge author makes regression seem to be inicimal to spiritual
> > progress. I belkeive that is a false dychotomy. My own
> > that it IS a form of Gnosis, I call Agnosis, or intuitive
> > without the framework of conceptual thought.the way I get to it might be different then some people.
> > Anyways, a lot of mystical experience seems like to me a
> > to a earlier stae of perception and cognition.
> > So do you think that some mystical experiences are regressive in
> > nature?
> I have had what I would term "blissful" experiences. But I guess
While I am a hetrosexual in the general sense of the term, I'm
also an AB (Adult Baby). So basically, my experience of these
blissfull experiences, the closest I could say I got to "mystical",
was ina "regressed" frame of mind.
I really beleive the biggest problem people have is they seek to
continually advance. While this is necessary in life (that which does
not grow dies), I also beleive we all must at times return to our
Root for rejuvanation. I find it to be a spiritual experience, myself.
I am more of a Sethian, in that I beleive the Sethian line is the
inheritors of the Gnosis. Ultimately, these experiences are so
different, that they can't be framed mentally. In the mundane sense,
what can't be named or labelled can't be "known". But then how does a
baby "know" his mothers love? How do we "know" someone loves us.
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